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Year-End Reset for Developers: Reflect, Rest, and Plan for the New Year

2025-12-23 Youtube

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Need a year-end reset for developers before the holidays are over? In this Pre-Christmas special of Building Better Developers, Rob Broadhead and Michael Meloche look back on the year with a simple “good thing / bad thing” reflection, then shift into practical ways to finish strong.

We talk about: • Why a year-end reset for developers matters (even if you’re busy) • How micro goals create momentum without burnout • Working on the business vs. working in it • The hidden cost of context switching across tech stacks • Rest, boundaries, and routines that improve productivity

If you’re heading into the last week of the year feeling tired, scattered, or behind—this episode is your reminder to reset, recharge, and start the new year with clarity.

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Chapters (timestamps)

00:00 Intro + holiday setup 06:40 Good thing / bad thing reflection 11:50 Working on the business + micro goals 16:30 Rest and reset for developers 21:10 Boundaries, routines, and disconnecting 24:00 Closing thoughts + holiday message

Transcript Text
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right. I think what we're going to do is
we're going to start with the Christmas
special while we're waiting on him and
see if this works out. I mean, if he
because then if he doesn't show, then
we'll get those done and out of the way
since we're here. Okay.
>> So,
um,
first one
is
>> pre Christmas.
>> Yeah. So, this is going to be like the
Okay. So, we'll do it right before
Christmas Eve and then the second one
will be Christmas Day.
>> Yep.
>> So, we're going to dive in and do I know
we won't go super long. Uh but we'll
just basically do like a holiday week
and
let's talk about let's see are we
recording? We are recording. So I hit
record. So for those people that are
here, merry Christmas almost. Um so
let's see. So we will do our pre
Christmas special.
Um,
we'll do like a quick I think a quick
little like looking back uh sort of like
this standard like look back on your
year because we haven't really talked
about that because we're doing other
stuff. So, we were going to dive right
into it and do that kind of look a
little blurry today. Maybe it's just cuz
I didn't have enough tea. Maybe I had
too much tea.
Just trying to get everything going
here. Not the lighting that I wanted,
but here. Let's see. Do I have like a
thing? Uh, I've also been like I'm
downsizing downsizing moving stuff and I
wonder if I see I need to have something
just in case I have like a
something screwing up my
Okay, not my camera. All right, we're
going to do the three, two, one. Have
you centered yourself?
One. Hello and welcome back. And yes, we
are in a holiday special. So uh we are
at this point as you guys are get my hat
straight. Uh as you guys are listening
then we are day before Christmas Eve uh
and then Christmas and then Boxing Day
for those of you guys that box a little
different box
but this is the developer podcast
building better developers. I am Rob
Broadhead, one of the founders of
developer, also the founder of RV
Consulting, where we help you assess
your technology, where your business is
at, and then build a road map for
success.
Good thing, bad thing. Um, and then
since this is a Christmy special, I'll
do like a good thing, bad thing for the
year. Uh, just to like expand it out a
little bit. This has been,
um, this has been a really interesting
year from a business point of view. uh
looking at both the developer stuff and
the RB consulting stuff there has been
uh the good thing is is that we have
survived another year that we've made it
to the end and I we haven't had to close
the shop or anything like that. So I
guess that's very good. Uh also we've
gotten um made some progress on the
working on the business. Uh this has
been probably one of the better years
for working on the business overall. Uh
there's definitely been some some
struggles along the way, but like making
some changes and stuff like that has
been definitely a good year. Uh bad
thing is
probably that it hasn't gone as well as
I would have liked. Uh when I started
out this year, when I did my first
quarter, you know, my looking ahead
goals for the year and first quarter
stuff, there were some growth stuff that
I didn't do. Uh the company, you know,
the company did not organ uh grow the
way I would like it to. Uh I could say
that you know economy and some of that
kind of stuff has something to do with
it but
um that is you know it is what it is and
it's one of those that the good news
about it is at least in not doing so uh
I was able to work on the business as
opposed to like ramping up and
onboarding other people. Uh but also I
didn't have to onboard my co-host that
is going to go ahead and introduce
himself.
>> Hey everyone, my name is Mike Malashsh.
I'm one of the co-founders of Building
Better Developers, also known as
Developer. I'm also the founder of
Envision QA, where we work with
businesses that are tired of fighting
their software. We build and test custom
solutions that actually fit the way you
work so you can put out the fires and
start focusing on growth and your
customers. Uh good thing and bad thing
for the year. Uh
good thing, uh took on a big project
this year and it's been a lot of fun
kind of working on it, building it. Uh
but also on the flip side of that, the
bad thing was uh a lot of growing pains,
a lot of trying to figure things out. Uh
also
this particular project took my company
in directions that wasn't kind of the
core focus of my company. So being able
to work on my business wasn't really one
of the uh focuses this year, which I had
wanted it to be. uh it became more
working in the business because uh it
was a little bit more of a stretch for
the again for the direction that I was
taking the company. So uh a little more
time doing uh doing work than building
the tools and things I want to build for
my company. So, uh, looking forward, I'm
planning for more of that to kind of
reset towards the end of the year and
get into a more of a working on the
business as Rob's been doing versus, you
know, being heads down for months at a
time.
>> And that's actually a really good segue
into our our holiday special. Uh, in
years past,
almost every year as we get towards the
end of the year, there have been
episodes that have where we talk about
like getting into the fourth quarter and
planning for that and and how do you
figure out where you want to go for the
next year and things like that. And we
really haven't touched on that this year
as much because we've been, you know,
deep into interviews and things of that
nature. We haven't really had any like
too many enough step back and just say
like, "Hey, how are things going?" kinds
of episodes.
But I think as you get into this like
you know at this point as you're
listening this you're into basically the
last week of the year and it is really a
good time uh if you haven't already but
definitely now is sort of look back like
what did you accomplish this year? Where
did you go and it's sort of like as
Michael said and actually as I said a
little bit it's like you know work what
work did we get done on our business?
What work do we want to get done on our
business? And I think this is a perfect
time to look at okay well what do you
want to do for the year ahead. Now this
is where I am going to I'm going to beat
that drum again about doing things like
uh doing a pomodoro or something along
that lines but along the same way is the
uh incremental improvement is keeping
momentum moving forward. Uh one of the
things that I have I have struggled with
a little bit but have somewhat
maintained through this year is doing
like regularly touching some of these
areas some of the businesses uh which
you're going to see which you should see
by now because we are recording this a
little before today for you um is some
of the uh some of the updates that
develop will be these are they're
rolling out as I'm working on them.
They're going to be rolling out fairly
soon. We're going to redo uh a lot of
that. I've been working on that on the
background redesigning stuff. Um doing a
lot of we'll call it app work kind of
stuff with developer nerd to try to get
that kind of thing set up. But also on
RB consulting side we have got now you
know a half dozen different apps that
we've done that are brand new that are
to help us out. Not to mention and those
are the public facing ones not to
mention the ones that are behind the
scenes. We've revamped the backend
systems um made a lot of changes to
really to do sort of what we talked to
uh other customers about is we've
actually decided we're just going all
custom and have brought all of our stuff
in. We're eliminating licenses and stuff
like that left and right and building
our own back office systems for
everything from proposal writing to time
tracking to statuses, all of the stuff,
all the things. And the way I got here
was through incremental stuff was
sitting there each week and saying I
need to give at least, you know, x hours
to this, you know, an hour to this, an
hour to that, an hour to the other
thing. Uh, part of that I was pushed on
a little bit from the networking side.
That was one of the pieces that is like
I have just that's not my cup of tea.
Uh, but doing the networking and the
marketing and just making sure that
that's the stuff that I do touch on a
regular basis has made a difference. Um
there is definitely I've I've got a lot
more relationships that I've now built.
Um I've had several it's it's amazing in
the last year to how long long invested
relationships have become uh very
valuable and have helped me with uh you
know with the bottom line even of the
company but also just to have um a a de
facto board of sorts uh and being able
to have conversations with people. So, I
I highly recommend as you look into the
year ahead as you like set some goals,
but also set uh we'll call set micro
goals. Like how do you what are you
going to do to get there? As a bonus,
you can go to you'll see a link for the
goals app uh Dora D R A M O R A because,
you know, we have to we have to have
cool names for stuff. It was originally
just called goals. Uh but I'm not a
marketing guy, like I said. Uh it may be
a good way for you to do something like
that for you to just like but whether
you use that or not is just using
something that is a uh even pencil and
paper is like lay out some goals, lay
out the steps you need to get there and
then make sure you're making progress on
them. It is so easy to get lost in the
business. It is so easy to get lost just
week in and week out. And I honestly I
preach this to my team on a regular
basis, too. It's like they've got a lot
going on. They've got work, they've got
life, and all that, but I'm I'm
constantly saying, "Hey, take a couple
hours out of her each week. I need you
to do professional development stuff."
You know, basically working on your
business, uh, or, you know, as a your
business of being a professional of your
career because that helps all of us. Um,
and I think that's where, you know,
that's sort of my like my Christmas
present to you as a as a listener is
just even if it's a a pomodor like just
15 minutes, even just 15 minutes, set a
timer and say, "I'm going to work on
this for 15 minutes. Even if you only
get two minutes of work done, if you do
that even 5 days a week, it's a little
over an hour and you will see progress."
And the more you do it, I think it it
will snowball. So, those are my
thoughts. How about you, Michael? cuz I
know you've been a little bit different,
but I've also are feeling the same
pains.
>> I am. And it's interesting.
I I was going to kind of start out with
the same approach, but like the little
micro goals and that because one of the
things that
I've been a little split this year is I
have two big projects in two different
technologies. So my biggest problem is
it's like okay in one uh path over here
I'm using Django, Python, uh you know
Apache web development on the other side
I'm doing a lot of backend stuff with
Java uh Kubernetes uh Reddus things of
that nature and those are two different
worlds and you spend a lot of mental
shift going back and forth between
those. Uh one of the things uh where you
know Rob gave a lot of good ideas for
personal development and setting small
goals. One of my recommendations to the
listeners here is take some time for
rest, reset. We talked to Mr.
Productivity in a previous uh interview
and one of the big things that I've
started to try to implement is literally
not only do I turn off like the nanny
stuff with my uh devices and that like
turn off the distractions like Facebook,
YouTube, things like that, but
disconnect from digital devices
altogether. Get away from the screens.
Let your eyes rest. Read a book. Just
don't look at screens for a couple of
days. I did that over Thanksgiving. I
took two days off. The only screen I
watched was football on Thanksgiving
because I wanted to see if my Lions
would win and of course they had lost.
Um, but it it's one of those where we
need we really need to force ourselves
to take that break. Yes, there are a lot
of things we need to continuously do,
but you need to schedule in days of
rest. Um, there's a reason, you know,
blue laws used to be that everything was
shut down on Sundays in the south
because pe they knew people needed rest
time. They needed to go to church. They
needed to spend time with family. Do
that this holiday. Do that in this final
quarter. rest, reset, and then as you
start mentally clearing that fog, look
at setting those personal goals. Look
at, okay, now that I've kind of reset
mentally, how can I start
self-improving? How, you know, what's
the next thing I need to learn? What's
the next thing I need to do for my
business? You know, what's the next
thing I need to do for my customer?
Mental breaks aren't just
a, you know, not just a suggestion. They
are something we need to do more often.
Yes, there's times where you need to
power through and you need to stay
focused and you need to get things done,
but there's a cost to you reach a
certain point where getting things done
is not conducive. or if you're so
mentally fogged, mentally fatigued that
you're not get yes, you're getting it
done, but it's taking you 10 times the
effort to get it done because you just
aren't able to focus or you're just so
far in the weeds that hey, it's time to
take a break. Time to step away. Now,
given where you're at, my recommendation
is go for a walk. Uh, if it's too bloody
cold, find a mall if they still exist or
find like a large food court or
something and just go for a walk. Go
walk around. Maybe enjoy some of the
holiday food that's out there. Avoid the
cookies cuz that may be too much of a
sugar rush, but you know, maybe do some
chai tea, some apple cider, but get out,
walk around, go look at some Christmas
lights. Uh, the other thing, too, is
look at your community, see what's going
on. Maybe there's some community things
you can go do like laying of Christmas
tree. Now granted, that's probably
already passed at this point, but with
New Year's around the corner, there
might be some uh concerts coming up,
might be some outdoor festivals coming
up. Get out and just reconnect with your
community, reconnect with people, and
then reset and step back into your
business. I think you'll have a
different focus when you do that.
>> I think that's a great point. Um, one of
the things that I've done the last
couple of years, um, not going to lie,
I'm it's sort of been forced upon me in
a in a sense by my wife. Um, and just in
the whole, and not it's not in a bad
way, it's basically in getting back into
like while we're dating and all that
kind of stuff
really got myself into more of a we'll
call it a 9 to5 kind of schedule game.
where it's like I would get towards the
end of the the day and it's like okay
well it's time to go do something you
know whatever it is in in life even if
it's just like go out for eat or you
know go out or sit down for dinner or
something like that
getting into that routine again um and
it's been a long time since I've done it
but
having those deadlines basically of like
I've got x amount of time in the day and
not trying to just blow it out and just
be like okay well if I don't get it done
by five then I'll get it done by six or
get it done by 7 or I'll get it done by
8. Um, I think it's it for me it's
helped quite a bit because it is uh I've
shrunk my to-do list for each day a
little bit. Um, and I'm I've really have
forced myself each day to be like it's
going to be there tomorrow. Um, and
that, you know, getting away has helped.
I've actually, I think, been more
productive. Uh, and I've, you know,
we've preached this for a long time.
It's like there's a certain point where
you run out of you can once you get to
depending on where you're at, you know,
past 40 or 50 or 60 hours of work in a
week and it's probably closer to 40 than
60 for most of us even though we don't
realize it is that you're starting to
spin your wheels. The productivity is
not there. You have got to shift gears.
You've got to find something else to do.
Now, that is part of the bonus I have of
being able to work on my business and in
my business. And even though I'm working
in multiple technologies, being able to
shift gears uh is refreshing within
itself.
But then still, you got to go out and
like live life. Go out there and you
know, like Michael said, you go for a
walk. Uh get some get a regular exercise
routine. Um I for years did ice hockey
was my thing. And I was like, I had to
do that. And I knew because it was for
it was for physical, but it was very
much for mental stuff. It's like if I
didn't do it then it like it caused me a
lot of uh you know it just I was not as
nice a person. I was not as happy a
person because I didn't have my thing
that allowed me to just disconnect. And
that doesn't mean that's yours. It's
like but whatever your disconnect is the
thing you can do. And if you don't have
it, find it. Find something whether it's
like going for a walk and smelling the
flowers or whether it's like maybe it's
cooking or it's, you know, watching some
mindless TV show or something where it's
just like allowing you to disconnect for
a while. It may just be like take a
shower or, you know, sit back and just
stare at a roaring fire for a little
bit. I don't know what it is, but find
that thing. It will make you better in
the long run. It doesn't mean you're
going to have to, you know, it's not
like go do that every day for eight
hours a day or something like that, but
it is something that I think you need to
find a way to work into your your
schedule in the year ahead. And I think
you'll thank us for it. I think you'll
be very happy and you'll thank yourself
for doing so because it's um it does
allow you to to reset and allows you to
like lower your your angst and all your
worries and stuff like that. It allows
you actually to get on an even keel and
you'll find that you actually work
better when you do. So closing thoughts?
>> Yeah, the only thing I'd close with here
is, you know, as we get ready for uh
Christmas in a couple days, you know,
take that break, you know, take that
time out, you know, in that mindset and
get ready to spend some time with
family, watch some Christmas specials,
you know, this is a feel-good time of
the year. Spend time with family,
friends, kick back, rest a little bit,
and prepare for the new year.
>> Yep. the year will be there. It's
waiting for you. Don't worry. You can
take a little bit of time and take a day
off and enjoy friends and family and
things of that nature. And yes, you can
even indulge a little bit in the sweets
and the the food and all the other
goodness that is part of like a a good
gathering. And if you don't have a big
gathering, go find one. There's there's
stuff out there. There are places you
can go to just like like Michael said,
like find something community, go out,
find some events, things like that. Get
out and enjoy. uh because it yes it
comes every year but it only comes for a
little bit and the next thing you know
boom it's like middle of January or
February and it's like you're back in
like the slog so enjoy it while it lasts
as always go out there and have yourself
a great day a great Christmas season New
Year's and all that the whole week that
you have ahead of you and we'll talk to
you next
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right. I think what we're going to do is

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we're going to start with the Christmas

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special while we're waiting on him and

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see if this works out. I mean, if he

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because then if he doesn't show, then

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we'll get those done and out of the way

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since we're here. Okay.

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um,

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first one

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>> pre Christmas.

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>> Yeah. So, this is going to be like the

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Okay. So, we'll do it right before

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Christmas Eve and then the second one

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will be Christmas Day.

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>> Yep.

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>> So, we're going to dive in and do I know

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we won't go super long. Uh but we'll

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just basically do like a holiday week

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and

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let's talk about let's see are we

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recording? We are recording. So I hit

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record. So for those people that are

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here, merry Christmas almost. Um so

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let's see. So we will do our pre

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Christmas special.

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Um,

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we'll do like a quick I think a quick

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little like looking back uh sort of like

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this standard like look back on your

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year because we haven't really talked

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about that because we're doing other

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stuff. So, we were going to dive right

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into it and do that kind of look a

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little blurry today. Maybe it's just cuz

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I didn't have enough tea. Maybe I had

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too much tea.

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Just trying to get everything going

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here. Not the lighting that I wanted,

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but here. Let's see. Do I have like a

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thing? Uh, I've also been like I'm

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downsizing downsizing moving stuff and I

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wonder if I see I need to have something

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just in case I have like a

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something screwing up my

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Okay, not my camera. All right, we're

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going to do the three, two, one. Have

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you centered yourself?

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One. Hello and welcome back. And yes, we

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are in a holiday special. So uh we are

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at this point as you guys are get my hat

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straight. Uh as you guys are listening

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then we are day before Christmas Eve uh

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and then Christmas and then Boxing Day

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for those of you guys that box a little

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different box

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but this is the developer podcast

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building better developers. I am Rob

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Broadhead, one of the founders of

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developer, also the founder of RV

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Consulting, where we help you assess

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your technology, where your business is

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at, and then build a road map for

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success.

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Good thing, bad thing. Um, and then

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since this is a Christmy special, I'll

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do like a good thing, bad thing for the

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year. Uh, just to like expand it out a

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little bit. This has been,

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um, this has been a really interesting

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year from a business point of view. uh

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looking at both the developer stuff and

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the RB consulting stuff there has been

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uh the good thing is is that we have

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survived another year that we've made it

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to the end and I we haven't had to close

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the shop or anything like that. So I

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guess that's very good. Uh also we've

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gotten um made some progress on the

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working on the business. Uh this has

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been probably one of the better years

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for working on the business overall. Uh

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there's definitely been some some

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struggles along the way, but like making

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some changes and stuff like that has

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been definitely a good year. Uh bad

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thing is

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probably that it hasn't gone as well as

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I would have liked. Uh when I started

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out this year, when I did my first

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quarter, you know, my looking ahead

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goals for the year and first quarter

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stuff, there were some growth stuff that

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I didn't do. Uh the company, you know,

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the company did not organ uh grow the

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way I would like it to. Uh I could say

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that you know economy and some of that

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kind of stuff has something to do with

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it but

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um that is you know it is what it is and

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it's one of those that the good news

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about it is at least in not doing so uh

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I was able to work on the business as

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opposed to like ramping up and

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onboarding other people. Uh but also I

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didn't have to onboard my co-host that

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is going to go ahead and introduce

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himself.

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>> Hey everyone, my name is Mike Malashsh.

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I'm one of the co-founders of Building

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Better Developers, also known as

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Developer. I'm also the founder of

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Envision QA, where we work with

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businesses that are tired of fighting

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their software. We build and test custom

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solutions that actually fit the way you

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work so you can put out the fires and

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start focusing on growth and your

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customers. Uh good thing and bad thing

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for the year. Uh

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good thing, uh took on a big project

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this year and it's been a lot of fun

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kind of working on it, building it. Uh

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but also on the flip side of that, the

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bad thing was uh a lot of growing pains,

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a lot of trying to figure things out. Uh

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also

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this particular project took my company

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in directions that wasn't kind of the

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core focus of my company. So being able

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to work on my business wasn't really one

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of the uh focuses this year, which I had

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wanted it to be. uh it became more

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working in the business because uh it

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was a little bit more of a stretch for

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the again for the direction that I was

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taking the company. So uh a little more

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time doing uh doing work than building

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the tools and things I want to build for

337.199

my company. So, uh, looking forward, I'm

340.32

planning for more of that to kind of

342.8

reset towards the end of the year and

345.039

get into a more of a working on the

347.28

business as Rob's been doing versus, you

349.759

know, being heads down for months at a

351.759

time.

353.039

>> And that's actually a really good segue

354.639

into our our holiday special. Uh, in

357.44

years past,

359.52

almost every year as we get towards the

361.039

end of the year, there have been

361.84

episodes that have where we talk about

363.68

like getting into the fourth quarter and

366.479

planning for that and and how do you

368.88

figure out where you want to go for the

370.08

next year and things like that. And we

371.199

really haven't touched on that this year

373.44

as much because we've been, you know,

375.199

deep into interviews and things of that

376.8

nature. We haven't really had any like

379.039

too many enough step back and just say

381.199

like, "Hey, how are things going?" kinds

383.039

of episodes.

384.8

But I think as you get into this like

387.6

you know at this point as you're

388.8

listening this you're into basically the

390.319

last week of the year and it is really a

393.28

good time uh if you haven't already but

395.44

definitely now is sort of look back like

397.12

what did you accomplish this year? Where

399.919

did you go and it's sort of like as

401.36

Michael said and actually as I said a

402.8

little bit it's like you know work what

404.88

work did we get done on our business?

407.199

What work do we want to get done on our

409.28

business? And I think this is a perfect

411.759

time to look at okay well what do you

413.199

want to do for the year ahead. Now this

415.6

is where I am going to I'm going to beat

417.52

that drum again about doing things like

420.479

uh doing a pomodoro or something along

422.24

that lines but along the same way is the

424.96

uh incremental improvement is keeping

427.68

momentum moving forward. Uh one of the

430.24

things that I have I have struggled with

432.639

a little bit but have somewhat

434.319

maintained through this year is doing

436.639

like regularly touching some of these

438.56

areas some of the businesses uh which

440.72

you're going to see which you should see

442.56

by now because we are recording this a

444.8

little before today for you um is some

448.8

of the uh some of the updates that

450.4

develop will be these are they're

452.16

rolling out as I'm working on them.

453.52

They're going to be rolling out fairly

454.72

soon. We're going to redo uh a lot of

457.199

that. I've been working on that on the

459.28

background redesigning stuff. Um doing a

462.72

lot of we'll call it app work kind of

464.88

stuff with developer nerd to try to get

466.4

that kind of thing set up. But also on

468.08

RB consulting side we have got now you

470.479

know a half dozen different apps that

472

we've done that are brand new that are

474.24

to help us out. Not to mention and those

475.919

are the public facing ones not to

478.4

mention the ones that are behind the

479.84

scenes. We've revamped the backend

482.479

systems um made a lot of changes to

486.08

really to do sort of what we talked to

488.319

uh other customers about is we've

489.759

actually decided we're just going all

491.36

custom and have brought all of our stuff

494.4

in. We're eliminating licenses and stuff

496.479

like that left and right and building

497.84

our own back office systems for

499.68

everything from proposal writing to time

502.879

tracking to statuses, all of the stuff,

506.319

all the things. And the way I got here

510.319

was through incremental stuff was

512.32

sitting there each week and saying I

513.919

need to give at least, you know, x hours

516.24

to this, you know, an hour to this, an

517.839

hour to that, an hour to the other

519.12

thing. Uh, part of that I was pushed on

520.959

a little bit from the networking side.

522.479

That was one of the pieces that is like

523.919

I have just that's not my cup of tea.

527.12

Uh, but doing the networking and the

528.64

marketing and just making sure that

530

that's the stuff that I do touch on a

531.76

regular basis has made a difference. Um

534.8

there is definitely I've I've got a lot

536.8

more relationships that I've now built.

538.8

Um I've had several it's it's amazing in

541.68

the last year to how long long invested

545.92

relationships have become uh very

548.56

valuable and have helped me with uh you

550.48

know with the bottom line even of the

552.32

company but also just to have um a a de

556.8

facto board of sorts uh and being able

559.36

to have conversations with people. So, I

561.2

I highly recommend as you look into the

563.36

year ahead as you like set some goals,

566.56

but also set uh we'll call set micro

569.12

goals. Like how do you what are you

571.68

going to do to get there? As a bonus,

573.839

you can go to you'll see a link for the

575.839

goals app uh Dora D R A M O R A because,

582.08

you know, we have to we have to have

583.92

cool names for stuff. It was originally

585.519

just called goals. Uh but I'm not a

588.32

marketing guy, like I said. Uh it may be

590.08

a good way for you to do something like

591.04

that for you to just like but whether

593.04

you use that or not is just using

594.64

something that is a uh even pencil and

597.519

paper is like lay out some goals, lay

599.68

out the steps you need to get there and

602.399

then make sure you're making progress on

604.08

them. It is so easy to get lost in the

606.24

business. It is so easy to get lost just

608.8

week in and week out. And I honestly I

610.959

preach this to my team on a regular

612.32

basis, too. It's like they've got a lot

613.839

going on. They've got work, they've got

615.44

life, and all that, but I'm I'm

616.8

constantly saying, "Hey, take a couple

618.64

hours out of her each week. I need you

620.399

to do professional development stuff."

622.959

You know, basically working on your

624.399

business, uh, or, you know, as a your

626.399

business of being a professional of your

628.24

career because that helps all of us. Um,

631.76

and I think that's where, you know,

632.959

that's sort of my like my Christmas

634.88

present to you as a as a listener is

639.6

just even if it's a a pomodor like just

642.24

15 minutes, even just 15 minutes, set a

644.399

timer and say, "I'm going to work on

645.519

this for 15 minutes. Even if you only

647.6

get two minutes of work done, if you do

649.839

that even 5 days a week, it's a little

652

over an hour and you will see progress."

654.88

And the more you do it, I think it it

656.48

will snowball. So, those are my

658.24

thoughts. How about you, Michael? cuz I

659.76

know you've been a little bit different,

661.519

but I've also are feeling the same

663.519

pains.

664.64

>> I am. And it's interesting.

667.6

I I was going to kind of start out with

669.279

the same approach, but like the little

672.399

micro goals and that because one of the

674.56

things that

676.399

I've been a little split this year is I

678.399

have two big projects in two different

680.32

technologies. So my biggest problem is

682.32

it's like okay in one uh path over here

685.44

I'm using Django, Python, uh you know

688.16

Apache web development on the other side

690.48

I'm doing a lot of backend stuff with

691.92

Java uh Kubernetes uh Reddus things of

695.2

that nature and those are two different

696.959

worlds and you spend a lot of mental

699.519

shift going back and forth between

700.88

those. Uh one of the things uh where you

704.079

know Rob gave a lot of good ideas for

706.079

personal development and setting small

708.16

goals. One of my recommendations to the

712

listeners here is take some time for

715.12

rest, reset. We talked to Mr.

717.839

Productivity in a previous uh interview

721.2

and one of the big things that I've

723.44

started to try to implement is literally

726.24

not only do I turn off like the nanny

728.88

stuff with my uh devices and that like

731.839

turn off the distractions like Facebook,

733.44

YouTube, things like that, but

734.88

disconnect from digital devices

736.72

altogether. Get away from the screens.

739.36

Let your eyes rest. Read a book. Just

742.88

don't look at screens for a couple of

745.36

days. I did that over Thanksgiving. I

747.68

took two days off. The only screen I

749.839

watched was football on Thanksgiving

751.44

because I wanted to see if my Lions

752.8

would win and of course they had lost.

755.04

Um, but it it's one of those where we

758.959

need we really need to force ourselves

761.519

to take that break. Yes, there are a lot

763.92

of things we need to continuously do,

766.48

but you need to schedule in days of

768.72

rest. Um, there's a reason, you know,

771.44

blue laws used to be that everything was

772.959

shut down on Sundays in the south

774.48

because pe they knew people needed rest

776.56

time. They needed to go to church. They

778.32

needed to spend time with family. Do

780.8

that this holiday. Do that in this final

782.8

quarter. rest, reset, and then as you

788.16

start mentally clearing that fog, look

791.2

at setting those personal goals. Look

792.88

at, okay, now that I've kind of reset

795.92

mentally, how can I start

798.24

self-improving? How, you know, what's

799.68

the next thing I need to learn? What's

801.04

the next thing I need to do for my

802.399

business? You know, what's the next

804.079

thing I need to do for my customer?

808

Mental breaks aren't just

811.76

a, you know, not just a suggestion. They

813.92

are something we need to do more often.

817.92

Yes, there's times where you need to

819.279

power through and you need to stay

820.72

focused and you need to get things done,

823.279

but there's a cost to you reach a

826.48

certain point where getting things done

828.88

is not conducive. or if you're so

833.12

mentally fogged, mentally fatigued that

836.16

you're not get yes, you're getting it

837.76

done, but it's taking you 10 times the

839.6

effort to get it done because you just

842

aren't able to focus or you're just so

844.56

far in the weeds that hey, it's time to

846.48

take a break. Time to step away. Now,

849.839

given where you're at, my recommendation

851.839

is go for a walk. Uh, if it's too bloody

855.279

cold, find a mall if they still exist or

858.56

find like a large food court or

860.079

something and just go for a walk. Go

862.24

walk around. Maybe enjoy some of the

864

holiday food that's out there. Avoid the

865.92

cookies cuz that may be too much of a

867.44

sugar rush, but you know, maybe do some

870.24

chai tea, some apple cider, but get out,

873.36

walk around, go look at some Christmas

874.88

lights. Uh, the other thing, too, is

878

look at your community, see what's going

880.959

on. Maybe there's some community things

883.12

you can go do like laying of Christmas

885.519

tree. Now granted, that's probably

886.639

already passed at this point, but with

888.399

New Year's around the corner, there

889.76

might be some uh concerts coming up,

892.079

might be some outdoor festivals coming

893.68

up. Get out and just reconnect with your

896.639

community, reconnect with people, and

898.88

then reset and step back into your

902.72

business. I think you'll have a

904.079

different focus when you do that.

907.279

>> I think that's a great point. Um, one of

910.32

the things that I've done the last

911.839

couple of years, um, not going to lie,

914.88

I'm it's sort of been forced upon me in

916.72

a in a sense by my wife. Um, and just in

919.36

the whole, and not it's not in a bad

922

way, it's basically in getting back into

924.639

like while we're dating and all that

926.56

kind of stuff

928.32

really got myself into more of a we'll

931.279

call it a 9 to5 kind of schedule game.

933.68

where it's like I would get towards the

934.88

end of the the day and it's like okay

936.88

well it's time to go do something you

938.56

know whatever it is in in life even if

940.48

it's just like go out for eat or you

942.8

know go out or sit down for dinner or

944.399

something like that

946.399

getting into that routine again um and

950.72

it's been a long time since I've done it

952.399

but

954.079

having those deadlines basically of like

956.24

I've got x amount of time in the day and

958.32

not trying to just blow it out and just

960

be like okay well if I don't get it done

961.44

by five then I'll get it done by six or

963.04

get it done by 7 or I'll get it done by

964.56

8. Um, I think it's it for me it's

968

helped quite a bit because it is uh I've

970.639

shrunk my to-do list for each day a

972.88

little bit. Um, and I'm I've really have

975.68

forced myself each day to be like it's

977.44

going to be there tomorrow. Um, and

979.68

that, you know, getting away has helped.

981.839

I've actually, I think, been more

982.959

productive. Uh, and I've, you know,

984.959

we've preached this for a long time.

986.079

It's like there's a certain point where

987.279

you run out of you can once you get to

989.759

depending on where you're at, you know,

991.04

past 40 or 50 or 60 hours of work in a

993.839

week and it's probably closer to 40 than

996.32

60 for most of us even though we don't

998

realize it is that you're starting to

1000.639

spin your wheels. The productivity is

1002.16

not there. You have got to shift gears.

1005.839

You've got to find something else to do.

1007.279

Now, that is part of the bonus I have of

1009.759

being able to work on my business and in

1011.68

my business. And even though I'm working

1012.88

in multiple technologies, being able to

1014.959

shift gears uh is refreshing within

1018.079

itself.

1019.68

But then still, you got to go out and

1021.12

like live life. Go out there and you

1023.6

know, like Michael said, you go for a

1025.039

walk. Uh get some get a regular exercise

1028.319

routine. Um I for years did ice hockey

1031.199

was my thing. And I was like, I had to

1033.36

do that. And I knew because it was for

1036

it was for physical, but it was very

1037.52

much for mental stuff. It's like if I

1039.36

didn't do it then it like it caused me a

1041.52

lot of uh you know it just I was not as

1044.48

nice a person. I was not as happy a

1046.079

person because I didn't have my thing

1048.319

that allowed me to just disconnect. And

1051.28

that doesn't mean that's yours. It's

1052.799

like but whatever your disconnect is the

1055.12

thing you can do. And if you don't have

1056.88

it, find it. Find something whether it's

1058.48

like going for a walk and smelling the

1060.559

flowers or whether it's like maybe it's

1062.32

cooking or it's, you know, watching some

1064.64

mindless TV show or something where it's

1066.72

just like allowing you to disconnect for

1069.36

a while. It may just be like take a

1071.52

shower or, you know, sit back and just

1073.84

stare at a roaring fire for a little

1075.36

bit. I don't know what it is, but find

1077.6

that thing. It will make you better in

1080.72

the long run. It doesn't mean you're

1082.4

going to have to, you know, it's not

1083.6

like go do that every day for eight

1085.36

hours a day or something like that, but

1086.799

it is something that I think you need to

1088.64

find a way to work into your your

1090.559

schedule in the year ahead. And I think

1092.72

you'll thank us for it. I think you'll

1094

be very happy and you'll thank yourself

1095.36

for doing so because it's um it does

1098.08

allow you to to reset and allows you to

1100.24

like lower your your angst and all your

1103.76

worries and stuff like that. It allows

1105.52

you actually to get on an even keel and

1107.12

you'll find that you actually work

1108.32

better when you do. So closing thoughts?

1111.919

>> Yeah, the only thing I'd close with here

1114.64

is, you know, as we get ready for uh

1117.28

Christmas in a couple days, you know,

1120

take that break, you know, take that

1122.24

time out, you know, in that mindset and

1125.28

get ready to spend some time with

1126.48

family, watch some Christmas specials,

1129.2

you know, this is a feel-good time of

1131.12

the year. Spend time with family,

1132.559

friends, kick back, rest a little bit,

1135.84

and prepare for the new year.

1137.84

>> Yep. the year will be there. It's

1139.76

waiting for you. Don't worry. You can

1141.2

take a little bit of time and take a day

1142.559

off and enjoy friends and family and

1144.32

things of that nature. And yes, you can

1145.84

even indulge a little bit in the sweets

1147.36

and the the food and all the other

1149.44

goodness that is part of like a a good

1151.84

gathering. And if you don't have a big

1153.36

gathering, go find one. There's there's

1155.12

stuff out there. There are places you

1156.4

can go to just like like Michael said,

1157.919

like find something community, go out,

1159.44

find some events, things like that. Get

1162.16

out and enjoy. uh because it yes it

1165.44

comes every year but it only comes for a

1167.039

little bit and the next thing you know

1168.24

boom it's like middle of January or

1169.919

February and it's like you're back in

1172.4

like the slog so enjoy it while it lasts

1175.28

as always go out there and have yourself

1177.36

a great day a great Christmas season New

1181.039

Year's and all that the whole week that

1183.12

you have ahead of you and we'll talk to

1185.679

you next