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In Season 23, Episode 11 of the Building Better Developers podcast, Rob Broadhead and Michael Meloche dive into a critical career-building topic: personal branding and resumes. This episode focuses on cultivating habits that help you stand out professionally, ensuring your unique skills and experiences consistently shine through.
*Read More*... https://develpreneur.com/personal-branding-and-resumes-building-your-professional-story/
*Episode Challenge:* Start Small, Build Momentum
To close the episode, Rob presents a challenge: spend five minutes a day for the next week documenting what you accomplished. At the end of the week, summarize your key achievements in one paragraph. This exercise not only helps you build a habit but also lays the foundation for a more robust and authentic personal brand.
*Additional Resources*
* Listing Education On Your Resume and Personal Branding (https://develpreneur.com/listing-education-on-your-resume-and-personal-branding/) * Your Personal Portfolio – Work and References On Your Branding Site (https://develpreneur.com/your-personal-portfolio-work-and-references-on-your-branding-site/) * Your Personal Branding Website – Advertise Yourself On The Web (https://develpreneur.com/your-personal-branding-website-advertise-yourself-on-the-web/) * Protecting Your Brand and Avoiding Legal Trouble (https://develpreneur.com/protecting-your-brand-and-avoiding-legal-trouble/)
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[Music] oh and we're back so this one thinking a uh this something that we' Su one of us suggested I can't remember what um while back I was think can get into um I've got it listed as as your resume like updating your resume and keeping that up to date and things like that but it's also like uh personal brand and and things like that is it I think it's getting into that it's a little bit marketing is but it's also one of those that I think we I think that's a great area for habits and things like that thoughts so you kind to me that's kind of two things so personal branding resume um like how do you present yourself for I I guess that's the thing are you presenting yourself for hire or are you presenting yourself to promote your Consulting your business things of that nature because to me that's two different things oh no that's one and the same to me it's like your resume is is who is your personal brand it's who you are it's what you bring to the table now it may be that your resume is directly tied like in for example in your case and sometimes in my case that our resume is very much tied to our business or side you know getting Consulting work but it's the same thing it's like it may not be it may not be as much a physical resume or like I said a physical digital resume but um more along the lines of this is who I am and this is what I bring to the table so it be it could be your the brand is your resume it is like this is this is what people expect it's making sure that it's it's not just you know resume is like here's what I've done but a lot of it too if it's done right is like this is what I bring to the table this is how I'm going to address this is how I'm going to problem solve or this is how I'm go what I'm going to do to help you if you hire me as a employee or consultant or whatever it happens to be okay so it's kind of along the lines of exping to others what you can bring to the table Yeah in the great I mean in the in the the lay sense I guess yeah that's sort of like that's your to me that's what your brand is it's like what do you expect what are you getting when you get me yeah because one of the biggest problems I have especially explaining in Vision QA to non-technical people is what is it that I do what do I bring to the table and one guy uh one of my friends has actually asks me almost all the time what is it that you do and it changes from week to week because there's so many different problems we solve that he still really doesn't understand software development he doesn't understand what it is that I do well and I think that's part that's why I look at it as a resume is I think it helps us and I tell this to the the guys that are the junior guys I work with all the time when I talk to them about updating a resume is it's like keep up with what you like it's it's very useful and this goes with like a work blog or a blog or things like that it's like it's very useful to talk about the stories that you have been involved in the problems that you've solved and what that for lack of a better term what that Journey was like and so as we go through that is our resume it's things like I worked at McDonald's and we you know while I was at McDonald's people had a problem that they were hungry and I had the problem that they needed to pay the company for us to feed them and so I worked at a you know cash register now that's a lot more wordy way than just saying I was a cash register you know I worked at McDonald's for five bucks an hour or whatever it happened to be but that's what we need to do is we need to actually build those stories into our resume and I think when we do that that builds our uh effectively our elevator pitch resume as well because then we can go we sort of cherry-pick those things or look at them at a whole and say what is it that I really do what is it that I bring to T what is this you know I've got these 18 projects that I did what is the commonality across those or maybe even the trend what is the TR trory that I have is I grew from these little projects I've gone through it what is it I do where am I going kind of stuff okay that makes more sense then it just yeah it to me when I hear that I kind my mind goes a couple different ways that's why I wanted to kind of narrow down where we were going to take this and my mind also sometimes does so we'll see how this goes it's G to be one of those where it's like I start off in One Direction and I had a great plan and then I end up like you know left turn and I'm an Albuquerque or something like that so we'll give it a shot and we'll see how this goes because I think there is it is another one there's a couple levels of this so it could be something we come back to it uh more specifically so we'll give it oh yeah I'll give you a little three well hello and welcome back we are continuing our season of building better habits we are building better developers the developing podcast I am Rob Broadhead one of the founders of developing and also a founder of RB cons Consulting where we do uh I think they call it's referred to as like Boutique Consulting basically what we do we sit down with you assuming you own a business or running a business or a department sit down with you understand where you're at what are your needs what is your what is your current situation what technology do you have you have a whole bunch of crap or do you have like one thing and you're trying to figure out how to use it are you trying to figure out new things that are out there all of that comes together and we use simplification automation integration and even some sometimes we'll do things like rfps and walk you through that process to find a way to get you right sized into the technology or the technology right siiz into what can serve you best based on your budget your resources your Market all of that good stuff so that you get a suit that fits you instead of something you just grabbed off the rack at Walmart no offense to Walmart and Sams and all those people good thing bad things uh let's see good thing let's I'll go with bad things first just cuz yesterday was a good good day bad day kind of thing is my bad day was I was in meetings just back to back to back to back to back it was just and people people were putting stuff on my calendar like it's a it was a Friday and they were putting stuff on my calendar for late in the afternoon and the funny thing is is they were in a different time zone so it was even later for them these are like late late meetings and they're being put on like they get on the calendar on a Friday at lunchtime what's sort of good aside good is that people showed up because a lot of times you do that crickets you're you're GNA have nobody show up for your meeting so it was an exhausting day of meetings where I didn't have a lot of breaks or stuff like that the good thing is once I got to the end of the day I got to have one of those little things we went to this Charity Auction thing and I don't want to get too far into it but it's basically short of it uh you can look them up Trinity hope uh they do they work with Haiti and they build CL schools there and stuff like that so it's one of those it's like a good bad in itself because it's very sad that people have to do go through the their lives are what they are but it's also good that we can very easily one of those you know for 5 cents a day you can help a child eat things like for very little on our part we can help people out the really good thing about it is just having time to like not think about work and not think about our life and think about some other people for a while and and do a little bit of you know socializing and things like that just allows you to just literally to unplug and so it was really it was a good way to end a long day and actually a long week on the challenges um one of the things that we we talked about was U you know taking some breaks and making sure that you don't get like two heads down now granted now Michael mentioned a prior one that the pomodoros help that a lot because they they not almost they pretty much force you to at least stop and a lot of times it's when you're done with that you whether it's 25 or 40 or whatever minutes it is when you do that break at least for me the first habit is to like just you know turn off the little alarm and then stand up or do something um that like regular breaks during the day I've also split up so in the middle of my day instead of staying at my desk working basically doing a working lunch day after day after day is I'll take 10 minutes basically and go you know when I'm in an office I'll go like walk around the building just go outside and get some fresh air if I'm at home I'll go like walk out on the back deck or something like that and just again get some fresh air even whether it's cold or hot or whatever just like a little change of pace so it's a great habit that is helping me just stay sane in in many ways forms and Fashions the to-do list one I've grown this one again just like I did the pomodoros and went from one to two and haven't gone to three yet we'll see how that goes but the the list thing is I've really really like refined my list making in the last couple of weeks as I went to the dailies but now I have much more focused which is it's actually sort of a return to my roots as I've gone back to be much more focused when I put together my week that I have for for those of you a lot of you I think you would relate very much to like the effect of me creating a bunch of Jura tickets that I'm going to go through this week now this is where you can also do with Trello or something like that it's where I have literally a list of items like these are the things that I want to go through and sort of gotten away with from that because I just had too much stuff and too much change but I've gone back to having that core list of like here's some things I want to and it really does help particularly as I get into the second half of a week of like oh crud I like really need to go back and touch this thing or make some progress on that thing just like I needed to make some progress letting Michael talk a little bit and introduce himself so go ahead and introduce yourself to the crowd there Mike hey everyone my name is Mika MOS I'm one of the co-founders of developer Nur building better de building better developers nether Le how to speak I'm also the founder of Envision QA where we help small to midsize business businesses Elevate their software uh you know we do software audits but essentially we help companies unlock their software's potential either be it through comprehensive software uh assessments quality assurance testing uh reviewing software Stacks or even helping you find the right software for your business or build something custom if we can't find something out there for you good and bad for the week uh I'll start with the bad uh similar to Rob had some added to my schedule the problem was with these meetings I had to actually drive to them so there was actually some uh downtime where I couldn't get other work done because I had to drive a vehicle downside of that I was not able to batch any of that so I actually lost some time and had to work later in the days because I lost time driving around typically on a good day uh I flip that around I did have a couple good days where I was able to batch a lot of things together so I did not lose time I was able to use the Pomodoro Technique and my task list to ensure that I had things lined up to where I was able to say focused on one particular thing and do it in chunks to where I actually got most of it done in a timely manner uh I didn't have a lot of overrun so to kind of reset that kind of off week with the drive time I followed our to-do to you know our task our goals to kind of stay on track get things back where they need to be and move the dial a little bit further down the road bad thing is I can't figure out how to unmute my mic but now I did so this this episode I this is sort of a one of those that could actually get very very big but I really want to talk it's really about your resume or your personal brand and in particular I think I want to like focus in on the keeping it up toate kind of of challenge that we have because if you look back uh like right now look back at just you know take a second look back at what have you done in the last year now what you probably first come up with is things that you've done in the last week or the last quarter maybe if you go back and and look at your calendar from this month a year ago and what you were doing what are some of the Challen what were some of the the meetings that you were in or you know maybe you got like if you're blog what were you blogging on or if you've got status reports what were your status reports like looking at those you're probably going to be like oh wow I'd forgotten i' done that or wow that was like that was a whole year ago or that was only a year ago you know things like that that can be uh they get lost basically get lost in The Shuffle Now when we you know we get to a point where we're like frustrated where we work or we get laid off or we're trying to like launch a new business and do some side hustle and get a new customer we get into a mode then of like oh I've got to update my resume whatever my resume looks like I need to go you know whether it's my resume whether it's my site whether whatever it is I need to go and make sure that what I'm presenting is where I currently am because with the building better developers that means that you are a better developer today than you were a year ago or two years ago or however long it was that you last got into this searching for work selling myself mode that we have to do from time to time so one of the things that I think help you is one weekly status or daily status of some sort particularly weekly status and a lot of people like I've talked about people in the past that do like journals and things like that that just for themselves and it could be as simple and actually as useful as a Blog that you get to end of the week and you can just nobody else has to read it but I think you would find there would be readers that if you just say hey this week this is what I worked on and just give a little brief thing of you while you're still near enough to it to just give a you know if somebody says hey what was this like what was that experience like this week give just a brief paragraph of what that was like you know it's like oh you worked on solving this problem what was that like well you this is what the problem was I had this thing that I was asked to do and so I wrote some code that did this and I found out in doing that that it was really easy to Loop through all this data and then just sum some stuff up and I got the solution or I thought it was going going to be very easy but then I found out that I needed to bring in these three other pieces of data or something like just really simple it doesn't have to be you don't have to go nuts with it the thing is is that if you do that even weekly basis the end of the year you got like a book worth of of content probably which could be a pain because you're like I'm not going to put all that in a resume I I don't need a resume that's 48 pages long or I don't need a website that has that much stuff but maybe you do from a website point of view in particular if you are in uh if you're a consultant or if your company is consulting or actually if you want to have a which is I think something that a lot of people are starting to go to that's got a l value is a an online resume of some sort which could also be something we like called LinkedIn or one of those kinds of places where you have this this work history you have the real estate to be able to actually go Fairly deep into some of those things and so I think it's very valuable to take those particularly a Blog is great because you can just say hey I am Rob the developer and if you would like to get a sense of what some of the things I do are here's my blog and you know you can title them by days you can do whatever you want so it's very easy for somebody to actually literally look at a detailed resume of what you do now are they going to do it probably not but if you highlight it or if you go back like say once a quarter or even once you know every six months twice a year go back take what you looked what you did look at that and summarize it and turn that you know maybe you know pages and pages of information turn it into like a little you know half a page paragraph or you know a half page couple paragraphs or something like that something that is very easy to for somebody to look at and very quickly read particularly if you have a couple you know like a title and maybe like a you know what was the problem how did I solve it doing those in a sentence each something like that and then have a little more detail that kind of stuff is invaluable and it allows you when you get into a point for example let's say you're working at the same company for 20 years and you get laid off and now you have to build a resume that is an almost insurmountable task if you have to go back 20 years and try to build that thing all the way up but if you've been doing this along the way it's going to allow you to have a resume that you could put together fairly quickly more importantly because I think a lot of us when we talk about personal brand and resume we think about I'm leaving a job or getting a new job if if you do this it's going to help you when you have a review when you get to the end of the year or the end of your your review period it's going to help you say this is what I did and help you properly argue for if you need a raise now if you look at what you did and all you did was like I learned how to play games better or something like that okay you don't deserve a raise but if you said hey I learned this new language I solved this problem I did this major thing for the company those are the things that you want to be able to highlight so that they say wow you bring a lot of value to the table we want to give you more money which I think lots of people like to hear that kind of a review but it really helps us keep um keep really like a a sanity check on ourselves but also reality check it's like yes we are doing stuff we're making progress and it helps us do better as far as like you know get that raise argue for a promotion or something like that but also I think on the the flip side of that is when we get into tough times when we're in like a death march or something like that we can at least look back and say yes we have made progress yes things are moving forward so we don't feel like we're just constantly running into a brick wall just like now I think I've hit my brick wall so I'm gonna like break through and let Michael talk on the other side of this thanks for Rob so not to get too far out of the box because we could take this many different directions one of the biggest challenges you will have uh over the years is like Rob say if you've been working for a company for 20 years you've got a lot of information you need to unpack and put onto your resume or update your blog or your website how wherever you promote yourself the trick comes in in those early years too where you only have one or two jobs or you just have college you know what did you do in college you know how do you beef up that resume to show the skills that you have you know if you're just out of college listing your uh the classes you took isn't necessarily the best way to to promote yourself what you might want to do is you might want to go through what were some of the big projects I worked on what are some of the accomplishments I did in my classes you know did you write like a Linux system did you write an operating system did you build some websites write some programs you know you can highlight those projects and build that out if you kind of take that mindset as we go through our career any little project you work on or challenge you have that is a good little point to hey write it down put it aside or put it into your list of things that you have done and when you come around to building your resume or building that uh online uh information about yourself to sell yourself you can then kind of go cherick this information to kind of put on your resume or put on these forums to kind of promote what it is that you're looking for one of the challenges I have especially since I've been in Tech now for well over 20 some years is what do I put on my resume you know if I'm looking to apply for a job if it's a management job if it's a software engineering job what is it that they are really looking for that I am the person that they need to hire the problem I have is you know I've got over six pages of notes I've taken over the years for the different types of jobs different things I've done and so you really don't want to hand them a six-page resume they're not going to read it they're only going to read the first first page and even then you're lucky if they read that they might even read just the first job and then call it done so what you need to do is you need to highlight what it is that they're looking for that you can bring to the table you know what is it that you bring that you are the right person for the job it could be for a job it could be for a Consulting business it could be for whatever why is it that they want you kind of like the old Uncle Sam thing you know Uncle Sam wants you for the military you know if you flip that what is it that you bring to the table and then what you need to do is you need to highlight that at the front now I find it interesting that cover letters are coming back these days with a lot of job resumés where in the past I've noticed that those kind of faded out over the years but they're coming back because so many people are can go on these online tools and apply for jobs so they want to know why it is that you want to work for a company so if you looking for like an AI firm oh hey we are looking for AI developers why is it that you want that job why is it that you want to build AI tools so you kind of take what you have summarize it in a paragraph or two as to what it is that you've done why you are a good fit for the company or for this particular job and then provide your rme but make sure you highlight the skills the tools that you have used that apply to the situation that you're looking at that you're applying for now if you're trying to be generic by building blogs your blogs are going to kind of be your tag so you're going to tag your blogs and such way that on your main page when you come in it's like here are the things I've done click this tag and here's going to be the Articles related to what you've done LinkedIn is a little bit harder because you can still write blogs but they don't have a great sorting way of like highlighting oh this is for this skill or this skill they do have a good way of listing out your job details and things of that nature but even then it's hard to find what you're looking for if you're an employer going to these sites looking for people you need to stand out so how are you going to stand out so other things you want to do is not just rely on the tools but stand up your own site like Rob said write some blogs do an online resume you know one of the fun things is we've been doing developer nerve for so long I can almost point to Any Given blog or article I've written and say hey I've done this or hey I can do this or we've talked about this if you don't have that start making a list today and start recording yourself just do something write it down record it and then just stick it out there put yourself out there so that you can start building that virtual resume and people make may just run across you and say hey you look like a person that I might need for this particular job so you may not even be looking but they may find you so these are some of the cool things you can get out of this uh that might not simply be what you're looking for from the get-go but there's a lot of Pros that come from doing things like this I think I want to sort of follow up from that last point I have over the years had more than a couple of times where I have ended up in a job or had a customer that came out of a discussion from a Blog article or something like that where it was there was something that I put out there that they were searching or uh they asked you know like like Michael says like there'll be something in the job description that I'll just point like maybe as my cover letter say oh by the way I just covered this topic you know last month in a blog article or on uh a mentoring class or something that we did you know some presentation or something like that now he may say that's great if you've got you know 500 blog articles and hundreds of of video podcasts or podcast stuff that you've done or you know 800 episodes of a podcast but you know what there was a point when I had zip zero nada I had none of that and I started somewhere along the way and the next thing you know I had one and so when I had one they I hope that they what they want is exactly what that one topic was but then I had two and then I had three and over time what you're going to find more importantly than being able to like check off the boxes to you know when you submit a resum or when you apply for a job you when you write a proposal up for a job more importantly that you have the check boxes when they say have they you know have they done this language have they solve this problem blah blah blah what you have is a way to connect to their problem what you have is a way to start a conversation what you have is a way for them to relate back to you and more importantly to all of this is for them to see what you do how you do it how often you do it get a feel for even if you don't know it they can get a feel for what are your strengths what are the things that you enjoy doing and that makes it so much more likely that you're going to end up in a job that you actually like that is actually something where you go to work you're like this is what was born to do because now you're getting what everybody really should be looking for is the resume matching the job your position your skills your experience your personality your the culture that you want to work in matches the job that you're in whether that's as a contractor consultant whether it's employee whatever it is is making sure that your skills match their needs because honestly if your skills don't match their needs then probably particularly if it's a full-time job it's a thing that's making up taking up most of your time you need to move on because you want to find something where you do fit more comfortably it's just like a pair of clothes if you've got shoes that are comfortable you can walk all day if you've got shoes that are not that comfortable you can walk for an hour and you're going to feel like you're crippled now maybe I'm old and so I'm overr dramatizing that but that has happened to me so just watch out get shoes that are comfortable that being said let's talk about the challenge for this because it really does come from as Michael said when you've got pages and pages and pages of stuff and then you're trying to sort back through it or you've got like you know years of calendar entries or status reports you're trying to figure out it's very difficult to do so what I'm going to challenge you to do is start with every day take five minutes maybe you don't have to take very long just write a little synopsis of what I did today do that for seven days and then the bonus basically at the end of the week because we don't work five you know we work usually 5 days a week on the sixth or seventh day or both of them write a summary of the week same thing it do like you may now have you know four or five paragraphs of stuff from the week summarize that down to one paragraph make it like if somebody said what was cool that you did this week what is it that like I'm going to buy you a drink you know if you're old enough to buy a drink or I guess a soda or whatever it is if you can convince me that you like you did work worthy of it this week write that sentence write that paragraph just do that once a week do that for a while and then you know further down the road it'll be things like then take those and then combine those and turn those into something you know that's very digestible like a a paragraph because if we do it while we're still in it while it's still fresh it is so much more valuable we're going to get the key points and actually it's going to be very tough as we get further along because we're like wow 's this key thing and that key thing and that key thing and I really want to bring all those together and either you're going to find a way to abstract them or you're going to say I need a Blog Page and I need to just like throw this stuff out and have like here's what I did but here's the details that you really want to read because they are valuable just like if you send us an email we're going to really want to read it because it is very valuable because this is why we're here is to share with you and to get feedback and to figure out what is it that we can do to make you better what are the things that you feel that you can improve that you can some habits that you can build some things that you realize these are things that are like dogging me and slowing me down or impacting my ability to progress on my career road map or things like that we want to help you out and if we can't we want to throw that out to the Greater Community and see if the community can help you out because we may not have those tools but we may be able to find somebody that can so we can bring all that stuff back to you you can do it via email info@ developer.com you can contact us on the developer.com site we've got contact form there we've got comment areas everywhere on all of our blog articles likewise on YouTube on the developer Nur channel uh also anywhere that you get podcasts you can leave us feedback there we love it however we get it we consume that we use that to build a better podcast as we move forward that being said it is time for us to build a better day and go out there you do the same go out there and have yourself a great day a great week and we will talk to you next time bonus material so we've given you guys a lot of information to unpack especially making list keeping track of the things that you're doing or even compiling you know online blogs things of that nature the other thing we've talked about in the past that we didn't really touch on today is also make sure that you've got those GitHub repositories or bit bucket repositories and that you start building a code repository of the things that you have done not only is that good for you for referencing but it's also good to present the work that you have done or the work that you can do based on the skills or the things that you have done the other thing is if you have a long laundry list of skills like I do uh AI is a great tool if you're looking to apply for a specific job take your jobs uh your resume or take your job history and your skills plop that in a and say hey summarize this based on this job role it may not be perfect but it could give you an idea of how to kind of squish that down and get into a bite-sized chunk that your employer or potential uh customer would understand and be able to consume based on their needs that wow that one's worth that is gold right there is take you can take a huge amount of information and shove it into like a you know any AI engine basically and have it summarize it and it is amazing the insights that you can get from how it's going to summarize that because sometimes you're going to be like that is not at all what I thought I was giving you in which case change the wording is you need to make some adjustments you need to do some stuff to say well okay this is the story that I want to tell and you realize that maybe your experience the way you labeled it doesn't actually point out that experience doesn't give tell the story that you want it to so that is very valuable the bonus I would the the thing that I want to focus on is yes we're technologist and it comes down to like you know which quiver which arrows do you have in your quiver what language have you used what environment you've involved with blah blah blah blah blah but the reason I think that cover letters are so valuable the reasons that I think that it is more about other than that checklist of the the technologies that we've done it is the problems we've solved and the story about that it is and that is where like technology tests and skill tests and stuff like that really in a lot of cases if they're done right that's what they're trying to get it's not can you to solve this problem in Java it is if you have this problem how are you going to approach solving it ideally it would be an unsolvable problem basically it's something there really is no solution to but it's just trying to figure out do you have the ability to see a problem and then craft a solution even if you craft a solution and realize it's not going to work and then have to craft another solution and another solution and another solution because that's probably what they want is like how fast can you get from a problem to I'm working on a solving it and then if that doesn't work how do I make it fit the problem particularly if the problem starts to change or something like that which we do see so think about it more as telling a story as opposed to I did this so it's like instead of and this is one of the things I think is we get said here's a bonus for the h overall instead of as you're building a better developer in yourself instead of being I was a Java developer and now I'm a Java and C developer and now I'm a Java and a c and a ruby and a python and a database developer flip it from the technology so instead of I can h a hammer really well and I can drive Nails change that to I can build a house I can I can repair a wall or something like that this is and obviously that's different I changed you know analogies there a little bit but from the coding Point like what are problems you can solve so it's things like I can build a website for a business to do e-commerce I can build a website that allows somebody to display their product Library Online I can take a pile a pool of data and help somebody turn that into uh Trend analysis or things like that I can help them to figure out where there are gaps how they can improve their processes there's all these things are all valid potential Solutions and stories that we have so find out your story and find the best way to tell that my story and I'm sticking with it is that we are out of time and so we're going to wrap this one up as always feedback is very much welcome I want to thank you once again you guys are all guys and gals and whatever you want to call yourselves you the community are incredibly appreciated we love you guys hanging out there listening to us we know recognize and uh you know respect the time the offering that you give us of your time to listen to us to watch us to do these things and so thank you again for for what you contributed to us uh along those lines be looking forward to we've got some uh holiday specials coming up very soon Thanksgiving and Christmas in particular and the New Year's we're going to have a couple little like you know side trips off of this but those are always fun for us to do and hopefully it'll be very you know informative as well for you guys to get something a little different from this this uh Journey that we're on and all of these challenges as always go out there have yourself a great day a good time we will talk to you next time around [Music]
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oh and we're back so this one thinking a
uh this something that we' Su one of us
suggested I can't remember what um while
back I was think can get
into um I've got it listed as as your
resume like updating your resume and
keeping that up to date and things like
that but it's also
like uh personal brand and and things
like that is it I think it's getting
into that it's a little bit marketing is
but it's also one of those that I think
we I think that's a great area for
habits and things like that
thoughts so you kind to me that's kind
of two things
so personal branding
resume
um like how do you present yourself
for I I guess that's the thing are you
presenting yourself for hire or are you
presenting yourself to promote your
Consulting your business things of that
nature because to me that's two
different things oh no that's one and
the same to me it's like your resume is
is who is your personal brand it's who
you are it's what you bring to the table
now it may be that your resume is
directly tied like in for example in
your case and sometimes in my case that
our resume is very much tied to our
business or side you know getting
Consulting work but it's the same thing
it's like it may not
be it may not be as much a physical
resume or like I said a physical digital
resume but um more along the lines of
this is who I am and this is what I
bring to the table so it be it could be
your the brand is your resume it is like
this is this is what people expect it's
making sure that it's it's not just you
know resume is like here's what I've
done but a lot of it too if it's done
right is like this is what I bring to
the table this is how I'm going to
address this is how I'm going to problem
solve or this is how I'm go what I'm
going to do to help you if you hire me
as a employee or consultant or whatever
it happens to
be okay so it's kind of along the lines
of exping to others what you can bring
to the table Yeah in the great I mean in
the in the the lay sense I guess yeah
that's sort of like that's your to me
that's what your brand is it's like what
do you expect what are you getting when
you get
me yeah because one of the biggest
problems I have especially explaining in
Vision QA to non-technical people is
what is it that I do what do I bring to
the table and one guy uh one of my
friends has actually asks me almost all
the time what is it that you do
and it changes from week to week because
there's so many different problems we
solve that he still really doesn't
understand software development he
doesn't understand what it is that I do
well and I think that's part that's why
I look at it as a resume is I think it
helps us and I tell this to the the guys
that are the junior guys I work with all
the time when I talk to them about
updating a resume is it's like keep up
with what you like it's it's very useful
and this goes with like a work blog or a
blog or things like that it's like it's
very useful to talk about the stories
that you have been involved in the
problems that you've solved and what
that for lack of a better term what that
Journey was like and so as we go through
that is our resume it's things like I
worked at McDonald's and we you know
while I was at
McDonald's people had a problem that
they were hungry and I had the problem
that they needed to pay the company for
us to feed them and so I worked at a you
know cash register now that's a lot more
wordy way than just saying I was a cash
register you know I worked at McDonald's
for five bucks an hour or whatever it
happened to be but that's what we need
to do is we need to actually build those
stories into our resume and I think when
we do that that builds our uh
effectively our elevator pitch resume as
well because then we can go we sort of
cherry-pick those things or look at them
at a whole and say what is it that I
really do what is it that I bring to T
what is this you know I've got these 18
projects that I did what is the
commonality across those or maybe even
the trend what is the TR trory that I
have is I grew from these little
projects I've gone through it what is it
I do where am I going kind of
stuff okay that makes more sense then it
just yeah it to me when I hear that I
kind my mind goes a couple different
ways that's why I wanted to kind of
narrow down where we were going to take
this and my mind also sometimes does so
we'll see how this goes it's G to be one
of those where it's like I start off in
One Direction and I had a great plan and
then I end up like
you know left turn and I'm an
Albuquerque or something like that so
we'll give it a shot and we'll see how
this goes because I think there is it is
another one there's a couple levels of
this so it could be something we come
back to it uh more
specifically so we'll give it oh yeah
I'll give you a little three well hello
and welcome back we are continuing our
season of building better habits we are
building better developers the
developing podcast I am Rob Broadhead
one of the founders of developing and
also a founder of RB cons Consulting
where we do uh I think they call it's
referred to as like Boutique Consulting
basically what we do we sit down with
you assuming you own a business or
running a business or a department sit
down with you understand where you're at
what are your needs what is your what is
your current situation what technology
do you have you have a whole bunch of
crap or do you have like one thing and
you're trying to figure out how to use
it are you trying to figure out new
things that are out there all of that
comes together and we use simplification
automation integration and even some
sometimes we'll do things like rfps and
walk you through that process to find a
way to get you right sized into the
technology or the technology right siiz
into what can serve you best based on
your budget your resources your Market
all of that good stuff so that you get a
suit that fits you instead of something
you just grabbed off the rack at Walmart
no offense to Walmart and Sams and all
those
people good thing bad things uh let's
see good thing let's I'll go with bad
things first just cuz yesterday was a
good good day bad day kind of thing is
my bad day was I was in meetings just
back to back to back to back to back it
was just and people people were putting
stuff on my calendar like it's a it was
a Friday and they were putting stuff on
my calendar for late in the afternoon
and the funny thing is is they were in a
different time zone so it was even later
for them these are like late late
meetings and they're being put on like
they get on the calendar on a Friday at
lunchtime what's sort of good aside good
is that people showed up because a lot
of times you do that crickets you're
you're GNA have nobody show up for your
meeting so it was an exhausting day of
meetings where I didn't have a lot of
breaks or stuff like that the good thing
is once I got to the end of the day I
got to have one of those little things
we went to this Charity Auction thing
and I don't want to get too far into it
but it's basically short of it uh you
can look them up Trinity hope uh they do
they work with Haiti and they build CL
schools there and stuff like that so
it's one of those it's like a good bad
in itself because it's very sad that
people have to do go through the their
lives are what they are but it's also
good that we can very easily one of
those you know for 5 cents a day you can
help a child eat things like for very
little on our part we can help people
out the really good thing about it is
just having time
to like not think about work and not
think about our life and think about
some other people for a while and and do
a little bit of you know socializing and
things like that just allows you to just
literally to unplug and so it was really
it was a good way to end a long day and
actually a long week on the
challenges um one of the things that we
we talked about was U you know taking
some breaks and making sure that you
don't get like two heads down now
granted now Michael mentioned a prior
one that the pomodoros help that a lot
because they they not almost they pretty
much force you to at least stop and a
lot of times it's when you're done with
that you whether it's 25 or 40 or
whatever minutes it is when you do that
break at least for me the first habit is
to like just you know turn off the
little alarm and then stand up or do
something um that like regular breaks
during the day I've also split up so in
the middle of my day instead of staying
at my desk working basically doing a
working lunch day after day after day is
I'll take 10 minutes basically and go
you know when I'm in an office I'll go
like walk around the building just go
outside and get some fresh air if I'm at
home I'll go like walk out on the back
deck or something like that and just
again get some fresh air even whether
it's cold or hot or whatever just like a
little change of pace so it's a great
habit that is helping me just stay sane
in in many ways forms and Fashions the
to-do list one I've grown this one again
just like I did the pomodoros and went
from one to two and haven't gone to
three yet we'll see how that
goes but the the list thing is I've
really really like refined my list
making in the last couple of weeks as I
went to the dailies but now I have much
more focused which is it's actually sort
of a return to my roots as I've gone
back to be much more focused when I put
together my week that I have for for
those of you a lot of you I think you
would relate very much to like the
effect of me creating a bunch of Jura
tickets that I'm going to go through
this week now this is where you can also
do with Trello or something like that
it's where I have literally a list of
items like these are the things that I
want to go through and sort of gotten
away with from that because I just had
too much stuff and too much change but
I've gone back to having that core list
of like here's some things I want to and
it really does help particularly as I
get into the second half of a week of
like oh crud I like really need to go
back and touch this thing or make some
progress on that thing just like I
needed to make some progress letting
Michael talk a little bit and introduce
himself so go ahead and introduce
yourself to the crowd there Mike hey
everyone my name is Mika MOS I'm one of
the co-founders of developer Nur
building better de building better
developers nether Le how to speak I'm
also the founder of Envision QA where we
help small to midsize business
businesses Elevate their software uh you
know we do software audits but
essentially we help companies unlock
their software's potential either be it
through comprehensive software uh
assessments quality assurance testing uh
reviewing software Stacks or even
helping you find the right software for
your business or build something custom
if we can't find something out there for
you good and bad for the week uh I'll
start with the bad uh similar to Rob had
some added to my schedule the problem
was with these meetings I had to
actually drive to them so there was
actually some uh downtime where I
couldn't get other work done because I
had to drive a vehicle downside of that
I was not able to batch any of that so I
actually lost some time and had to work
later in the days because I lost time
driving
around typically on a good day uh I flip
that around I did have a couple good
days where I was able to batch a lot of
things together so I did not lose time I
was able to use the Pomodoro Technique
and my task list to ensure that I had
things lined up to where I was able to
say focused on one particular thing and
do it in chunks to where I actually got
most of it done in a timely manner uh I
didn't have a lot of overrun so to kind
of reset that kind of off week with the
drive time I followed our to-do to you
know our task our goals to kind of stay
on track get things back where they need
to be and move the dial a little bit
further down the
road bad thing is I can't figure out how
to unmute my mic but now I did so this
this episode I this is sort of a one of
those that could actually get very very
big but I really want to talk it's
really about your resume or your
personal brand and in particular I think
I want to like focus in on the keeping
it up toate kind of of challenge that we
have
because if you look back uh like right
now look back at just you know take a
second look back at what have you done
in the last year now what you probably
first come up with is things that you've
done in the last week or the last
quarter maybe if you go back and and
look at your calendar from this month a
year ago and what you were doing what
are some of the Challen what were some
of the the meetings that you were in or
you know maybe you got like if you're
blog what were you blogging on or if
you've got status reports what were your
status reports like looking at those
you're probably going to be like oh wow
I'd forgotten i' done that or wow that
was like that was a whole year ago or
that was only a year ago you know things
like
that that can be uh they get lost
basically get lost in The Shuffle Now
when we you know we get to a point where
we're like frustrated where we work or
we get laid off or we're trying to like
launch a new business and do some side
hustle and get a new customer we get
into a mode then of like oh I've got to
update my resume whatever my resume
looks like I need to go you know whether
it's my resume whether it's my site
whether whatever it is I need to go and
make sure that what I'm presenting is
where I currently am because with the
building better developers that means
that you are a better developer today
than you were a year ago or two years
ago or however long it was that you last
got into this searching for work selling
myself mode that we have to do from time
to
time so one of the things that I think
help you is one weekly status or daily
status of some sort particularly weekly
status and a lot of people like I've
talked about people in the past that do
like journals and things like that that
just for themselves and it could be as
simple and actually as useful as a Blog
that you get to end of the week and you
can just nobody else has to read it but
I think you would find there would be
readers that if you just say hey this
week this is what I worked on and just
give a little brief thing of you while
you're still near enough to it to just
give a you know if somebody says hey
what was this like what was that
experience like this week give just a
brief paragraph of what that was like
you know it's like oh you worked on
solving this problem what was that like
well you this is what the problem was I
had this thing that I was asked to do
and so I wrote some code that did this
and I found out in doing that that it
was really easy to Loop through all this
data and then just sum some stuff up and
I got the solution or I thought it was
going going to be very easy but then I
found out that I needed to bring in
these three other pieces of data or
something like just really simple it
doesn't have to be you don't have to go
nuts with it the thing is is that if you
do that even weekly
basis the end of the year you got like a
book worth of of content probably which
could be a pain because you're like I'm
not going to put all that in a resume I
I don't need a resume that's 48 pages
long or I don't need a website that has
that much stuff but maybe you do from a
website point of view in particular if
you are in
uh if you're a consultant or if your
company is consulting or actually if you
want to have a which is I think
something that a lot of people are
starting to go to that's got a l value
is a an online resume of some sort which
could also be something we like called
LinkedIn or one of those kinds of places
where you have this this work
history you have the real estate to be
able to actually go Fairly deep into
some of those things and so I think it's
very valuable to take those particularly
a Blog is great because you can just say
hey I am Rob the developer and if you
would like to get a sense of what some
of the things I do are here's my blog
and you know you can title them by days
you can do whatever you want so it's
very easy for somebody to actually
literally look at a detailed resume of
what you do now are they going to do it
probably not but if you highlight it or
if you go back like say once a quarter
or even once you know every six months
twice a year go back take what you
looked what you did look at that and
summarize it and turn that you know
maybe you know pages and pages of
information turn it into like a little
you know half a page paragraph or you
know a half page couple paragraphs or
something like that something that is
very easy to for somebody to look at and
very quickly read particularly if you
have a couple you know like a title and
maybe like a you know what was the
problem how did I solve it doing those
in a sentence each something like that
and then have a little more detail that
kind of stuff is invaluable and it
allows you when you get into a point for
example let's say you're working at the
same company for 20 years and you get
laid off and now you have to build a
resume that is an almost insurmountable
task if you have to go back 20 years and
try to build that thing all the way up
but if you've been doing this along the
way it's going to allow you to have a
resume that you could put together
fairly quickly more importantly because
I think a lot of us when we talk about
personal brand and resume we think about
I'm leaving a job or getting a new job
if if you do this it's going to help you
when you have a review when you get to
the end of the year or the end of your
your review period it's going to help
you say this is what I did and help you
properly argue for if you need a raise
now if you look at what you did and all
you did was like I learned how to play
games better or something like that okay
you don't deserve a raise but if you
said hey I learned this new language I
solved this problem I did this major
thing for the company those are the
things that you want to be able to
highlight so that they say wow you bring
a lot of value to the table
we want to give you more money which I
think lots of people like to hear that
kind of a review but it really helps us
keep um keep really like a a sanity
check on ourselves but also reality
check it's like yes we are doing stuff
we're making progress and it helps us do
better as far as like you know get that
raise argue for a promotion or something
like that but also I think on the the
flip side of that is when we get
into tough times when we're in like a
death march or something like that we
can at least look back and say yes we
have made progress yes things are moving
forward so we don't feel like we're just
constantly running into a brick wall
just like now I think I've hit my brick
wall so I'm gonna like break through and
let Michael talk on the other side of
this thanks for Rob so not to get too
far out of the box because we could take
this many different directions one of
the biggest challenges you will have uh
over the years is like Rob say if you've
been working for a company for 20 years
you've got a lot of information you need
to unpack and put onto your resume or
update your blog or your website how
wherever you promote
yourself the trick comes in in those
early years too where you only have one
or two jobs or you just have college you
know what did you do in college you know
how do you beef up that resume to show
the skills that you have you know if
you're just out of college listing your
uh the classes you took isn't
necessarily the best way to to promote
yourself what you might want to do is
you might want to go through what were
some of the big projects I worked on
what are some of the accomplishments I
did in my classes you know did you write
like a Linux system did you write an
operating system did you build some
websites write some programs you know
you can highlight those projects and
build that out if you kind of take that
mindset as we go through our career any
little project you work on or challenge
you have that is a good little point to
hey write it down put it aside or put it
into your list of things that you have
done and when you come around to
building your resume or building that uh
online uh information about yourself to
sell yourself you can then kind of go
cherick this information to kind of put
on your resume or put on these forums to
kind of promote what it is that you're
looking
for one of the challenges I have
especially since I've been in Tech now
for well over 20 some years is what do I
put on my resume you know if I'm looking
to apply for a job if it's a management
job if it's a software engineering job
what is it that they are really looking
for that I am the person that they need
to hire the problem I have is you know
I've got over six pages of notes I've
taken over the years for the different
types of jobs different things I've done
and so you really don't want to hand
them a six-page resume they're not going
to read it they're only going to read
the first first page and even then
you're lucky if they read that they
might even read just the first job and
then call it done so what you need to do
is you need to highlight what it is that
they're looking for that you can bring
to the table you know what is it that
you bring that you are the right person
for the job it could be for a job it
could be for a Consulting business it
could be for whatever why is it that
they want you kind of like the old Uncle
Sam thing you know Uncle Sam wants you
for the military you know
if you flip that what is it that you
bring to the table and then what you
need to do is you need to highlight that
at the front now I find it interesting
that cover letters are coming back these
days with a lot of job resumés where in
the past I've noticed that those kind of
faded out over the years but they're
coming back because so many people are
can go on these online tools and apply
for jobs so they want to know why it is
that you want to work for a company so
if you looking for like an AI firm oh
hey we are looking for AI developers why
is it that you want that job why is it
that you want to build AI tools so you
kind of take what you have summarize it
in a paragraph or two as to what it is
that you've done why you are a good fit
for the company or for this particular
job and then provide your rme but make
sure you highlight the skills the tools
that you have used that apply to the
situation that you're looking at that
you're applying
for now if you're trying to be
generic by building blogs your blogs are
going to kind of be your tag so you're
going to tag your blogs and such way
that on your main page when you come in
it's like here are the things I've done
click this tag and here's going to be
the Articles related to what you've done
LinkedIn is a little bit harder because
you can still write blogs but they don't
have a great sorting way of like
highlighting oh this is for this skill
or this skill they do have a good way of
listing out your job details and things
of that nature but even then it's hard
to find what you're looking for if
you're an employer going to these sites
looking for people you need to stand out
so how are you going to stand out so
other things you want to do is not just
rely on the tools but stand up your own
site like Rob said write some blogs do
an online resume you know one of the fun
things is we've been doing developer
nerve for so long I can almost point to
Any Given blog or article I've written
and say hey I've done this or hey I can
do this or we've talked about this if
you don't have that start making a list
today and start recording yourself just
do something write it down record it and
then just stick it out there put
yourself out there so that you can start
building that virtual resume and people
make may just run across you and say hey
you look like a person that I might need
for this particular job so you may not
even be looking but they may find you so
these are some of the cool things you
can get out of this uh that might not
simply be what you're looking for from
the get-go but there's a lot of Pros
that come from doing things like
this I think I want to sort
of follow up from that last point I have
over the years had more than a couple of
times where I have ended up in a job or
had a customer that came out of a
discussion from a Blog article or
something like that where it was there
was something that I put out there that
they were searching or uh they asked you
know like like Michael says like
there'll be something in the job
description that I'll just point like
maybe as my cover letter say oh by the
way I just covered this topic you know
last month in a blog article or on uh a
mentoring class or something that we did
you know some presentation or something
like that now he may say that's great if
you've got you know 500 blog articles
and hundreds of of video podcasts or
podcast stuff that you've done or you
know 800 episodes of a podcast but you
know what there was a point when I had
zip zero nada I had none of that and I
started somewhere along the way and the
next thing you know I had one and so
when I had one they I hope that they
what they want is exactly what that one
topic was but then I had two and then I
had three and over time what you're
going to find more importantly
than being able to like check off the
boxes to you know when you submit a
resum or when you apply for a job you
when you write a proposal up for a job
more importantly that you have the check
boxes when they say have they you know
have they done this language have they
solve this problem blah blah blah what
you have is a way to connect to their
problem what you have is a way to start
a conversation what you have is a way
for them to relate back to you and more
importantly to all of this is for them
to see what you do how you do it how
often you do it get a feel for even if
you don't know it they can get a feel
for what are your strengths what are the
things that you enjoy doing and that
makes it so much more likely that you're
going to end up in a job that you
actually like that is actually something
where you go to work you're like this is
what was born to do because now you're
getting what everybody really should be
looking for is the resume matching the
job your position your skills your
experience your personality your the
culture that you want to work in matches
the job that you're in whether that's as
a contractor consultant whether it's
employee whatever it is is making sure
that your skills match their needs
because honestly if your skills don't
match their needs
then probably particularly if it's a
full-time job it's a thing that's making
up taking up most of your time you need
to move on because you want to find
something where you do fit more
comfortably it's just like a pair of
clothes if you've got shoes that are
comfortable you can walk all day if
you've got shoes that are not that
comfortable you can walk for an hour and
you're going to feel like you're
crippled now maybe I'm old and so I'm
overr dramatizing that but that has
happened to me so just watch out get
shoes that are
comfortable that being said let's talk
about the challenge for this
because it really does come from as
Michael said when you've got pages and
pages and pages of
stuff and then you're trying to sort
back through it or you've got like you
know years of calendar entries or status
reports you're trying to figure out it's
very difficult to do so what I'm going
to challenge you to do is start with
every day take five minutes maybe you
don't have to take very long just write
a little synopsis of what I did today do
that for seven days and then the bonus
basically at the end of the week because
we don't work five you know we work
usually 5 days a week on the sixth or
seventh day or both of them write a
summary of the week same thing it do
like you may now have you know four or
five paragraphs of stuff from the week
summarize that down to one paragraph
make it like if somebody said what was
cool that you did this week what is it
that like I'm going to buy you a drink
you know if you're old enough to buy a
drink or I guess a soda or whatever it
is if you can convince me that you like
you did work worthy of it this week
write that sentence write that paragraph
just do that once a week do that for a
while and then you know further down the
road it'll be things like then take
those and then combine those and turn
those into something you know that's
very digestible like a a paragraph
because if we do it while we're still in
it while it's still fresh it is so much
more valuable we're going to get the key
points and actually it's going to be
very tough as we get further along
because we're like wow 's this key thing
and that key thing and that key thing
and I really want to bring all those
together and either you're going to find
a way to abstract them or you're going
to say I need a Blog Page and I need to
just like throw this stuff out and have
like here's what I did but here's the
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because they are
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material so we've given you guys a lot
of information to unpack especially
making list keeping track of the things
that you're doing or even compiling you
know online
blogs things of that nature the other
thing we've talked about in the past
that we didn't really touch on today is
also make sure that you've got those
GitHub repositories or bit bucket
repositories and that you start building
a code repository of the things that you
have done not only is that good for you
for referencing but it's also good to
present the work that you have done or
the work that you can do based on the
skills or the things that you have done
the other thing is if you have a long
laundry list of skills like I do uh AI
is a great
tool if you're looking to apply for a
specific job take your jobs uh your
resume or take your job history and your
skills plop that in a and say hey
summarize this based on this job role it
may not be perfect but it could give you
an idea of how to kind of squish that
down and get into a bite-sized chunk
that your employer or potential uh
customer would understand and be able to
consume based on their
needs that wow that one's worth that is
gold right there is take you can take a
huge amount of information and shove it
into like a you know any AI engine
basically and have it summarize it and
it is amazing the insights that you can
get from how it's going to summarize
that because sometimes you're going to
be like that is not at all what I
thought I was giving you in which case
change the wording is you need to make
some adjustments you need to do some
stuff to say well okay this is the story
that I want to tell and you realize that
maybe your experience the way you
labeled it doesn't actually point out
that experience doesn't give tell the
story that you want it to so that is
very
valuable the bonus I would the the thing
that I want to focus on
is yes we're technologist and it comes
down to like you know which quiver which
arrows do you have in your quiver what
language have you used what environment
you've involved with blah blah blah blah
blah but the reason I think that cover
letters are so valuable the reasons that
I think that it is more
about other than that checklist of the
the technologies that we've done it is
the problems we've solved and the story
about that it is and that is where like
technology tests and skill tests and
stuff like that really in a lot of cases
if they're done right that's what
they're trying to get it's not can you
to solve this problem in Java it is if
you have this problem how are you going
to approach solving it ideally it would
be an unsolvable problem basically it's
something there really is no solution to
but it's just trying to figure out do
you have the ability to see a problem
and then craft a solution even if you
craft a solution and realize it's not
going to work and then have to craft
another solution and another solution
and another solution because that's
probably what they want is like how fast
can you get from a problem to I'm
working on a solving it and then if that
doesn't work how do I make it fit the
problem particularly if the problem
starts to change or something like that
which we do see so think about it more
as telling a story as opposed to I did
this so it's like instead of and this is
one of the things I think is we get said
here's a bonus for the h overall instead
of as you're building a better developer
in yourself instead of being I was a
Java developer and now I'm a Java and C
developer and now I'm a Java and a c and
a ruby and a python and a database
developer flip it from the technology so
instead of I can h a hammer really well
and I can drive Nails change that to I
can build a house I can I can repair a
wall or something like that this is and
obviously that's different I changed you
know analogies there a little bit but
from the coding Point like what are
problems you can solve so it's things
like I can build a website for a
business to do e-commerce I can build a
website that allows somebody to display
their product Library Online I
can take a pile a pool of data and help
somebody turn that into uh Trend
analysis or things like that I can help
them to figure out where there are gaps
how they can improve their processes
there's all these things are all valid
potential Solutions and stories that we
have so find out your story and find the
best way to tell that my story and I'm
sticking with it is that we are out of
time and so we're going to wrap this one
up as always feedback is very much
welcome I want to thank you once again
you guys are all guys and gals and
whatever you want to call yourselves you
the community are
incredibly appreciated we love you guys
hanging out there listening to us we
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of your time to listen to us to watch us
to do these things and so thank you
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uh along those lines be looking forward
to we've got some uh holiday specials
coming up very soon Thanksgiving and
Christmas in particular and the New
Year's we're going to have a couple
little like you know side trips off of
this but those are always fun for us to
do and hopefully it'll be very you know
informative as well for you guys to get
something a little different from this
this uh Journey that we're on and all of
these
challenges as always go out there have
yourself a great day a good time we will
talk to you next time around
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