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Today we’re talking with Mark Struczewski (Mister Productivity) about what it really takes to stay focused in a world full of distractions.
From his powerful Distraction Detox method to simple mindset shifts that stop overwhelm before it starts, Mark shares practical, real-world strategies you can use today to improve your focus, routines, and daily productivity.
If you’ve ever struggled with: 🔹 digital distractions 🔹 wandering attention 🔹 overloaded to-do lists 🔹 procrastination or overwhelm …this conversation is for you.
Mark breaks down the basics of staying focused into simple, repeatable habits that actually work—no gimmicks, no overcomplicated systems.
👉 Watch the full interview now and start building better focus habits: https://develpreneur.com/staying-focused-mr-productivity-interview-part-1/
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Greetings. Assuming you guys can hear me. Okay. >> Yeah. Uh, who am I talking to? >> Uh, this is Rob. I'm sorry. Just get my camera turned on here. Hey, I'm Rob and uh actually I guess over this side is Michael depending on how it's laid out on your uh your Zooms. >> Okay, I have mine is whoever speaking is on the full screen. >> Oh, okay. Excellent. That makes it work well. Uh let's see. >> Is that Are both of you on the on the show? >> Yes, sir. >> Oh, okay. just just so you know. Um I don't know who it is, but you're coming in really tiny. And that's why I don't uh I use this as a microphone instead of the AirPods because I mean for my podcast, I mean it's your show. You could do whatever you want to do, but for my show um I like using this microphone. It makes it sound clear. So >> yeah. Is that me? >> Yeah. >> You have an external microphone? Uh, I'm actually, yeah, I'm unfortunately I'm on the road today and so normally I've got one. I don't I don't know how well How's this working for you, Michael? Is this going to be Michael's >> usually doing the techn technical side of the uh the audio so is this good for you? You going to be able to work with this? >> Yeah, I think uh it'll be able to remove most of the tiny. >> Okay. And I'll just mute when I can so I won't have too much in the background. Uh let's see. How long do you uh I refresh my memory. How long does this podcast usually go for? >> Uh that was what I was about to jump into. We typically do it about an hour. Uh we talked uh it's very we keep it conversational. We you know we sort of have a a rough direction we go and then let it go there. It's always been uh always had some great conversations. Uh very organic. Uh we do split it we split it into two. It ends up being two episodes how we do it. So, we find a as best we can a logical spot to sort of, you know, pause it for for episode one and then we come back for episode two. >> Okay. >> We'll we'll dive into the intro here or we'll dive into it here in a minute. Uh what we'll do is I'll introduce I'll introduce the podcast basically introduce myself, introduce Michael, and then have you introduce yourself and then uh we will start start into it. So, any questions? Uh yeah. What's your credit card number? Especially uh I want a credit card that's got like a $10,000 limit on it. So can you >> Yeah. 4242 42 42 42 442. Doesn't matter what the expiration date is. Give it any code. You can do whatever you want until it says nope. That's only a test card. But hey, that is un that is sky's the limit. >> All right. Love it. Love it. Okay. I'll be right back. >> Drinking this. This is gonna be a fun one. Well, hello and welcome back. We are continuing our season on building better foundations. We are building better developers, the developer podcast. I am Rob Broadhead, one of the founders of developer, also the founder of RB Consulting, where we help you leverage technology, build it a road map for a better future, good things, bad things. Uh good thing is is that modern technology allows us to go wherever the heck we want to go. I can actually be working just about anywhere. Uh, I've talked about some of my toys in the past that have like I can have multiple screens. I can have all that good stuff. The bad thing is that there is still a level of like degradation. If you really have a good office and you got really good tools, then sometimes it's difficult to take them along. But I'm still working on those. I'm not working on replacing my co-host. So, Michael, go ahead and introduce yourself. >> Hey everyone, my name is Michael Malash. I'm one of the founders of Developer. I'm also the founder of Envision QA where we help businesses build reliable custom software by combining smart development with thorough testing so you can grow with confidence. Uh good thing bad things. Uh good thing it's uh we're recording on a Friday. The weather may be a little bit cloudy in that, but it's actually feeling like a nice fall day and I'm looking forward to getting out with the dogs this afternoon and running around and enjoying the weather. uh bad thing. Uh wife is out of town, so I have basically animal duty for the next week and a half, which is eating into my time tremendously. >> Uh yes, I have a uh a grand dog basically that one of my children took from other children that didn't raise them properly, and I'm having a real fun time trying to work with that. Luckily, my wife is like a dog whisperer type level expert, so she can like she's figuring it out. and it's a smart dog. So, we'll see how he's also a jerk. So, we'll see how this works out. Uh, I am really looking forward to this conversation. We were back to an interview episode. Uh, and I'm going to dive right into the introduction side of it. I'm going to just start with your name, your first name, because I'm sure I will butcher the last name. Uh, go ahead and introduce yourself, Mark. >> Well, my name is Mark Stuchesky, but because nobody is going to understand true what I'm go by Mr. productivity on the interwebs. It's Mr. All spelled out M I S T E R. My passion in life, my dream, my goal, what drives me every morning when I wake up is to help people get unstuck. Whether that's with time management, goal setting, clarity, focus, prioritization, whatever. So many people are stuck these days, and I love helping people get unstuck. Well, we have the right uh the right audience for that. We talk about this a lot because developers do this. We end up uh I think a lot of times we end up overwhelming ourselves. We put too much on our plate. We promise too much. We we underestimate what it's going to take. And honestly, development world is full of like just gotchas where you think something's going to take you five seconds and it takes you five hours chasing that thing down. So, uh with somebody with a title of Mr. productivity is exactly what we all need. And I think I want to dive right into um one of the things that you you mentioned is that you've got a practical tool called distraction detox framework. Distractions are the bane of our existence and I would really like to just I think that's going to be right away like a very high return on investment there. So why don't you talk a little bit about that? Well, the distraction detox starts with a very painful and horrifying exercise. I encourage people to carry a little notebook with them or you can use an app on your phone. Don't go looking for a special notebook or a special app. Just whatever you have laying around or on your phone and every time you are distracted, every time you are distracted, write it down. Could be the FedEx driver showing up at your house. It could be a helicopter flying overhead. It could be the neighbor's dog barking. All I want you to do is write all these down. Most people, a matter of fact, I don't think anyone's ever made it an hour because after like 10, 15 minutes, you look at everything is that is on your list and you're like, "Holy macaroni, I am really distracted." And here's the thing about distractions. Some distractions you're like, "Oh, that's distraction." But sometimes you may not be paying attention to it, but your subconscious mind is. And so you think you're fully focused on the task at hand, but your subconscious mind's going, "What's that? Oh, the the FedEx driver is at the neighbor's house. Wonder what they're getting at. How can they afford that?" And so you start distracting yourself. So distractions breed other distractions. So the first step is to identify your distractions. I'm not saying you're going to be able to solve all these, but it's to bring awareness that you are this distracted. Now, once you get past that horrifying stage, that that uh horror flick stage, then you're going to sit there and ask yourself, how can I begin to mitigate some of these distractions? Now, there's two types of distractions. There are distractions that are not within your control. You really can't go to your neighbor and say, "Hey, can you bring the dog in the house?" I mean, we're recording this right now. Next door, we have a neighbor who has a couple dogs. When they bring their kids home, sometimes they let the dog out for a few minutes, sometimes a little bit. I cannot tell them, I'm going to record a podcast episode, keep your dog in the house. So, that is a distraction that's out of my control. I certainly can't tell Amazon, the FedEx driver, the UPS driver, don't come down my street because I'm going to be on Rob and Michael's podcast. What about in my house, my dogs? Well, what can I do? I can make sure they've already gone outside. I can make sure the blinds are shut so that they don't see squirrels or other dogs outside. So, what can you control? Do your best to mitigate those distractions and everything else. Well, if your city is going to jackhammer your street today or this week or next week, probably not a good time to do podcast interviews because you can't control that. But what you can do, you can mitigate it by moving it to another time. So that's what the detox is all about. It's controlling what you can, mitigating what you can't. >> Um, God, that that really speaks to me because I was I sat there the other day and one of the things I do is uh often go into I have a pomodoro technique where I'll go in and I'll have a focus period of, you know, 25 or or sometimes 45 minutes, 60 minutes, something like that where I'm like, "All right." and I'll have the, you know, the background music on to just like the, you know, just focus, focus, focus. And literally, I guess yesterday or the day before, I was sitting there and I was working on this problem. And the next thing I know, I was sitting there looking at an email and I was like, what the heck am I doing? How did I even get over to email was not up? How did I get myself over here to looking at this email right now? And it's exactly what you said is it's that distraction of and this is where I think it like like I said I think this is where uh developers I think part is because we're in our head so much when we're working it's easy to have something in your head you have this thought and you're like oh I got to go look at that and then next thing you know you're distracted and you move on and maybe it's partially just more me with like a ADHD kind of a you know nature that I have. >> I got a perfect solution for you though Rob. >> What you do I don't have a prop. I apologize not having a problem. You keep a little notepad next to you. When that thought pops into your head, no matter what it is, it could be, "Oh, I wonder why the sky is blue." Well, don't go to your favorite AI. Write it down. And then later on when you're out of focus mode, then you go look it up. What people do, they're working and all of a thought all of a sudden Denzel Washington pops in their head. Well, let me see what his latest movie is. No. Write down Denzel Washington movie question mark on your notepad. That way when you're done with your focus time, you could pick it up and go, why did I write Denzel Washington movie on here? Because it wasn't that important. >> Yeah, that's that's to me that's probably the scariest thing about distractions is that you find out too often. Like that was totally unnecessary. Um yeah, I did it. You know, phones are the are the biggest distraction. And uh I want to talk about those here in a second. But that was like that was one of the things is that I I did several things on my phone to just to turn it to get it out of my way to get away from it to shut off all the notifications, change it to black and white, do whatever I can to just make it like, you know, a dumb brick that I don't need deal with that often uh as much as I can outside of my work. Now with that, so I love the the simplicity of just not even a like special pretty notebook and just get something and and keep it simple like that. So how do you like I guess it's then it's the next step. So now I know I've got these distractions. My favorite would be like you know you got a watch, you've got a phone or something like that. Is what is that next step? Do you feel like it and do you see it more as an approach of a like a holistic approach of trying to or more like try to you know uh precision like well why don't you get rid of this distraction or that distraction >> I think that there is something to be said about resting and let me explain that you have done the right thing and you've written down 17 things that popped into your head while you're working on this focus mode but don't get done with the focus mode and pick up the notebook go for a walk outside go read a Go watch some YouTube or Tik Tok or Instagram. Give yourself a buffer because you want to separate as much as you can in terms of time. How long since you created the list and when you look at it cuz now you're going to look at it totally different. You've gone out, got a drink of water, taken a walk around the block, and then you look at that list and like, "Oh, scratch that one off. Scratch that one off. Scratch that one off." What people actually do is the worst thing you can do is, okay, I write down the thing on my notebook. Then they're getting back to focus and they keep looking at that list. They keep, well, well, no, maybe you have to turn the list upside down or whatever. You need to have the list there, but when you're in focus mode, you capture the thoughts that are on your head, but you're not supposed to go look at that list and everything you've written down it until focus mode is over and you've taken a break. Now, the break could be 5 minutes, it could be 15 minutes. I don't talk about absolute numbers. Then look at that list. And even more so, I encourage you look at that list someplace different, not where you made the list. Maybe you go out on your front porch, get a cup of coffee, your favorite beverage, then look at the list. And if you're still not sure, maybe you go to your significant other and say, "I wrote these things down. Do you do any of these jump things jump off the page to you?" And they may give you some voices of reason and go, "Why did you write these things down?" A lot of people just jump in like they're jumping in a pool in a summer vacation when maybe they should go, "Is there any sharks or piranhas in this pool?" Now, we just jump in there and then what happens? We go down this road and then an hour, two hours, three hours later, we're like, "Wait a minute. What am I doing?" Like the Denzel Washington example. Now you're watching Now you're looking at all the movies he's done and you're like, "Oh, wow. You know what? We have Netflix and he has movies on and you and you're so far away from your focus mode." Does that make sense? >> That totally makes sense. Uh it sounds very much like that thing. We'll coin it right here because nobody's ever said those before. But the idea of doom scrolling where you just like, you know, that's what those are. That was my first introduction to that kind of deal was actually Pinterest back when it first started. I was like, why are these people talking about this Pinterest thing and that people will spend hours on? I was like, nobody could that's that doesn't make any sense to me. And then I sat down and exactly that it's just rabbit hole after rabbit hole after rabbit hole and the next thing you know you burned up an hour and I what you said really speaks to me is the idea of I was thinking of like when you were a kid and you're taking tests in school and it's like pencils down like okay I took my note pencils down. I was thinking right as you were saying I was like I'm gonna have to flip that thing over and do something because if it's there then it's like if it's in my site I may come back to it. But I I really like the idea and I think it's it feels like it's more of a habit than like you're going to have to work on it kind of thing of put it down and not jump back and just keep that one of those things that you're not going to touch right now that you're going to come back and gosh giving it a rest beforehand I I know for myself that will stop me from a lot of things because I'll just be like okay this is no longer an issue and it's it's the reverse of where we're going because we always have like a phone you've got searches you've got AI so you can like you said you and ask AI right away, what was that last movie Denzel Washington was in? And then you're you're sitting there 20 minutes later going, why am I doing this? It really didn't matter that much. Our whole life is trivia is basically what we've come down to. Mhm. >> So now how did you how did you get into how did you get because you you obviously have a passion for productivity and for you know getting rid of distractions and being able to to me I'm going to coin this maybe this is what you use but sort of be the best you you can be. How did you stumble into this or or how did you get into this? >> I love this question by the way this is a video podcast as well right? Okay. So, I just want people to know if you see me wiping the sweat off the for my head. I'm in Houston, Texas. It's hot. I do have my AC and the fan going. So, I just want people I'm not sick. It's just say it's hot in here. I probably shouldn't have put such a thick shirt on. But anyways, back to your question. I used to tell this. There's two versions of the story. Version number one, I was fired from my job in 2005 and I decided I wasn't going back to the corporate world. Done. And I'm like, "Okay, now what?" I said, "What is that word entra?" Entrepreneur. What is that? So I said, 'I want to be an entrepreneur. Didn't know what it was. Just sounded cool. And my first my first dive into the entrepreneurial pool was something called wedding and portrait photography, which bombed. I mean, blew up the joint. I had two clients, and I'm surprised they paid me. But one thing came out of that was my love for speaking and teaching and coaching. Well, you have to understand that all through high school and all through college, I would never give any kind of oral or oral report unless there was nobody in the room. Now, I'm a podcaster. I'm a professional speaker. I'm a coach. So, what happened was I went to one of our friends in our Bible study class who was a professional speaker and I don't know what in the world possessed me to go ask this lady,"Hey, you're a professional speaker. How can I, an introvert who hates speaking in front of anybody, be a professional speaker?" She gave me some guidelines. I fell in love with it. But then I had a problem. I didn't want to speak about photography. So, I didn't know what to do. So, I went out and hired my first coach. Up until this point, I thought coaches were football coaches and hockey coaches and basketball coaches. I had no idea a co a coach for me, but they saw something in me. And we were on one call. I identify as Tiger for Winnie the Pooh. I was born in 1965, so I grew up with Winnie the Pooh. And I was having on one call an Eeyore moment. I'm normally Tiger. And he says, "What's going on?" I said, "Well, I really love speaking." Because I was going out and speaking to groups and telling them how to take better pictures, if they're realtors, how to take better pictures of property and stuff like that, but I I don't want to speak about photography, but I don't know what I should speak on. He goes, "Well, why don't you speak on productivity?" I'm like, "That's weird. Where'd that come from? I no idea where that why'd you say that?" And he goes, "I know a lot of people and you are one of the most naturally productive people I know and you should share that gift with the world." I'm like, "The first thing I said is, isn't everybody this productive?" And after he stopped laughing for 10 minutes, he goes, "No, you need to share that gift with the world." So that's how I actually went in the productivity business, hung my shingle out in 2011. But the more people asked me about it, I started thinking. I was raised in the late 60s and early 70s by parents who were from old school. You do chores, you do them correctly. You do them on time. You don't go out and play and then do your chores. You do your chores and then you go outside and play. And I think my mom and dad, who has since passed away, didn't know it that I was eventually going to be something called Mr. productivity many years later. And so my parents thankfully laid that foundation for me. >> So it really sounds like it's kind of funny some of the things you mentioned there, you know, about teaching and that because uh when I was going through college and that I didn't I was like done with school like all those public speakings and things like that, I hated it. And of course, six months after college, I became an instructor teaching uh Java. So, it was like one of those where I'm never going back to school and I end up teaching. It's interesting how you kind of got into this because I think so many entrepreneurs kind of go through similar things. they leave uh corporate or they leave their jobs and they want to start something else but one of the biggest problems they have is either the lack of focus or the lack of motivation or just maybe it's not the right topic uh through your experience which how you became Mr. productivity. What are some of the things that uh you could recommend for uh you know young entrepreneurs or just people getting into their own business to use productivity to help drive them to help their businesses thrive. >> Rule number one, make sure you're following somebody who is doing what you want to do. So, if you want to be productive, go search for the productive productivity people on the interwebs. I would highly recommend you start with Mr. Productivity, but there's a lot of them out there. Go listen to their podcast like the Mr. Productivity podcast and everybody else's. Go get their books. I don't have a book, but go follow them in social media because if you want to go from A to B, well, don't you want to follow and learn from someone who's already at B? Which is really important because what happens when people come to me as clients? They're like, wow, I never knew this. I'm like, that's why you invested in me because I do know this and I can give you shortcuts. All coaches and books and podcasts are are shortcuts. But here's the thing, you just it's not magic hiring a coach. It's not magic reading a book. It's not magic listening to a podcast. You have to listen and then go implement. So that's number one, you need to follow people who are where you want to go. Number two, I'm a huge fan of simplicity. Okay? Complexity is the gateway to procrastination. So, we seem to live in the world where people like making things complex. And I like making things simple because the more complex something is, the more the less likely you are to do it. So, I always tell people, here's a crazy idea. Let's break this down so it's really really simple. Because if I told your listeners, "Hey, here are 37 things that if you do all these things, you're going to be the most productive version of yourself ever." They're going to go, "I'm out." But if I tell them, and we'll probably get to this later, I mean, we already give them a solid several solid tips. I'll you you pick one that resonates with you. So listener, if I've already said something that resonates with you, I encourage you to write that down and maybe go do it. Don't try to do three, four, five, six, seven, 10 things because then you're like, "Okay, did I do one? Now I got to do four. What's next?" Then you get confused. Then you get overwhelmed and then you go to Tik Tok or Instagram and YouTube and endlessly scroll. Yeah, it's funny you mentioned that because it reminds me of uh some marketing material I read recently. I can't remember which book it was in, but it was kind of the concept of focus and for sales. It's like if you want to sell if you're a watch seller, um a lot of the uh like watch brands want to promote all their watches. Well, really you if you give them one or two watches in an ad, they're going to be able to pick one or the other. If you give them six or seven, it's too busy. It's too many. They'll just move on to the next uh advertisement or just miss your ad completely. I love the idea of simplicity. Kind of going back to your idea of writing down your distractions on, you know, in a notebook. I love the idea of analog. Too many times I find digital gets bloated. It makes it complex. Uh it gets over complicated. you go down that rabbit hole. It's like, oh, it's here. You're you end up focusing on that versus what you're working on. Interestingly enough, especially in the new um with like the chat bots and all these wonderful like Trellos and things like that where you can put them in. What it I guess the trick here is how do you always know that you're distracted? So, some of the times it's obvious and and you can write it down, but some of the things you said like, you know, um FedEx, you know, yeah, okay, I can see that. But sometimes there's those little nuances you get where you don't realize you're distracted or you're going down that rabbit hole. It could be like you're looking up the problem for some software you're working on, but you end up going down a rabbit hole trying to solve that problem, but you end up, you know, going way off topic. What are some tips to kind of catch yourself before you go down those paths or at least catch yourself that hey you are distracted when you really don't think you are? >> That's a great question and what I encourage people to do is every once in a while and I'm again I'm not going to give you an absolute number. Every once in a while, just stop. Literally stop what you're doing and just ask yourself, could be out loud or in your head, is this what I'm supposed to be doing right now? If you would just take three seconds to ask their ask yourself that question, you may go, oh my gosh, no. Why am I in my email? Why am I this is this is a project for tomorrow. Why am I doing it now? But what happens is we we go down, we go down the road, we turn left. we should have gone right and we just keep going instead of going wait a minute wait I'm I'm not this doesn't look familiar so just ask yourself that question in three seconds just it it's not going to stop you from what you're doing it just allows your brain to catch up because sometimes either our brain is really far ahead or it's still behind trying to catch up and if you stop for 3 seconds and go is this what I'm supposed to be working on and you're like whoa no then you can stop yourself before you go all the way down the road and realize you're 20 miles off course. So, just ask yourself that question. And if it is the answer is yes, okay, keep on going. If it's no, then you can do what you have to do. >> So, >> nice. Well, go ahead, R. >> I was just so with this um now I'm thinking, you know, as I'm I'm almost getting a little distracted with that, but the idea so now you're trying to figure out your distractions. you're trying to and and doing this and some of it >> you alluded earlier to that there's some of these things are easier to do for people than others. >> Now you've worked with a bunch of people. So are there >> um as opposed to necessary even specific are there sort of like we'll call them like families or classes of changes that people can do that tend to be more uh accessible in the kinds of like sort of like I guess entry level versus like more advanced u you know distraction removal techniques and things of that nature. There are certain things like if somebody's sitting there like, gosh, I don't know if I can do this. Are there some that are easier than others that you say this works for most people or most people are going to be uh better suitable to to pick this up? Well, I like to talk about something that's very controversial and it gets people on edge, but probably people listening to your show are adults and there's this thing called adulting. So I am not a fan of blaming social media apps or technology. Oh, it's because of Facebook. No, it's because you are not disciplined. So let let me just put that out there. You need to practice adulting. Stop making excuses. Stop blaming other people. So that's number one. Number two, I think one of my most popular and most powerful productivity tips is to just get up and walk around for a couple minutes because again, you're working, your eyes are seeing stuff, your brain's processing, and you keep doing 30 minutes, 60 minutes, 120 minutes, 180 minutes. You haven't gotten up, the blood's not flowing. This is stuff that everybody can do. I mean, you're probably not landing a plane in the war zone. So, get up and give yourself a break. If you work from home, just walk to the kitchen. If you are in a corporate environment, walk to the break room. But this is so simple because what happens is people want all these give me these five things I can do that is really simple that's going to make me more productive. And I'm like, let's start with the easy stuff. When's the last time you got up and walked around for a couple minutes? When's the last time you went outside and took some deep breaths of air? When's the last time you closed your eyes? Go outside, put your bare feet on the ground, close your eyes, and meditate for a minute. I mean, these are really simple things, but they're proven to improve your productivity. Everybody wants the the hacks like, "How do I hack my phone so I'm not distracted by it?" Or, "How do I do this?" Let's let's start with a let's build a strong foundation like how do we become more productive? When you build a house, you have to build the foundation first, right? Probably the same thing with your developers. You got to build the foundation. You can't put on, you know, the f the the the the finishing touches in the beginning. You got to start with the foundation. So, I encourage people to go back to the basics. every sports league in the world. It doesn't matter how great of a player you are, you go back to the basics. Tom Brady when he played, what do he do? He went to training camp and threw footballs. Why? Because that's what you do when training camp. And I think what happens when we go from year one to year two, year three, we're like, I don't have to go back to the beginning. The greats always go back to the basics. How's my foundation? Is everything working? What do I need to learn? Because guess what? I hope I hate to be a spoiler for your listeners. Everybody has stuff to learn. Everybody. >> And that is where we're going to pause our conversation with Mark. Uh the energy is going to keep on flowing. Trust me. This this is one of those that we could have gone on and made this like I don't know a whole season of stuff. We could have definitely cranked out a couple episodes. uh the energy brings obviously is is great uh the brilliant mind on these kinds of things and uh also some just really good simple solutions. So keep your notebook handy. Don't get distracted and uh be ready for part two when we come back in the next episode. As always, thank you for not so much for hanging out with us. Uh check us out in all the different places you can check us out. Let us know any feedback that you have. go out there and have yourself a great day, a great week, and we will talk to you next time.
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Greetings.
Assuming you guys can hear me. Okay.
>> Yeah. Uh, who am I talking to?
>> Uh, this is Rob. I'm sorry. Just get my
camera turned on here. Hey, I'm Rob and
uh actually I guess over this side is
Michael depending on how it's laid out
on your uh your Zooms.
>> Okay, I have mine is whoever speaking is
on the full screen.
>> Oh, okay. Excellent. That makes it work
well. Uh let's see.
>> Is that Are both of you on the on the
show?
>> Yes, sir.
>> Oh, okay. just just so you know. Um I
don't know who it is, but you're coming
in really tiny. And that's why I don't
uh I use this as a microphone instead of
the AirPods because I mean for my
podcast, I mean it's your show. You
could do whatever you want to do, but
for my show um I like using this
microphone. It makes it sound clear. So
>> yeah. Is that me?
>> Yeah.
>> You have an external microphone? Uh, I'm
actually, yeah, I'm unfortunately I'm on
the road today and so normally I've got
one. I don't I don't know how well How's
this working for you, Michael? Is this
going to be Michael's
>> usually doing the techn technical side
of the uh the audio so is this good for
you? You going to be able to work with
this?
>> Yeah, I think uh it'll be able to remove
most of the tiny.
>> Okay. And I'll just mute when I can so I
won't have too much in the background.
Uh let's see. How long do you uh I
refresh my memory. How long does this
podcast usually go for?
>> Uh that was what I was about to jump
into. We typically do it about an hour.
Uh we talked uh it's very we keep it
conversational. We you know we sort of
have a a rough direction we go and then
let it go there. It's always been uh
always had some great conversations. Uh
very organic. Uh we do split it we split
it into two. It ends up being two
episodes how we do it. So, we find a as
best we can a logical spot to sort of,
you know, pause it for for episode one
and then we come back for episode two.
>> Okay.
>> We'll we'll dive into the intro here or
we'll dive into it here in a minute. Uh
what we'll do is I'll introduce I'll
introduce the podcast basically
introduce myself, introduce Michael, and
then have you introduce yourself and
then uh we will start start into it. So,
any questions?
Uh yeah. What's your credit card number?
Especially uh I want a credit card
that's got like a $10,000 limit on it.
So can you
>> Yeah. 4242 42 42 42 442.
Doesn't matter what the expiration date
is. Give it any code. You can do
whatever you want until it says nope.
That's only a test card. But hey, that
is un that is sky's the limit.
>> All right. Love it. Love it. Okay. I'll
be right back.
>> Drinking this. This is gonna be a fun
one. Well, hello and welcome back. We
are continuing our season on building
better foundations. We are building
better developers, the developer
podcast. I am Rob Broadhead, one of the
founders of developer, also the founder
of RB Consulting, where we help you
leverage technology, build it a road map
for a better future, good things, bad
things. Uh good thing is is that modern
technology allows us to go wherever the
heck we want to go. I can actually be
working just about anywhere. Uh, I've
talked about some of my toys in the past
that have like I can have multiple
screens. I can have all that good stuff.
The bad thing is that there is still a
level of like degradation. If you really
have a good office and you got really
good tools, then sometimes it's
difficult to take them along. But I'm
still working on those. I'm not working
on replacing my co-host. So, Michael, go
ahead and introduce yourself.
>> Hey everyone, my name is Michael Malash.
I'm one of the founders of Developer.
I'm also the founder of Envision QA
where we help businesses build reliable
custom software by combining smart
development with thorough testing so you
can grow with confidence. Uh good thing
bad things. Uh good thing it's uh we're
recording on a Friday. The weather may
be a little bit cloudy in that, but it's
actually feeling like a nice fall day
and I'm looking forward to getting out
with the dogs this afternoon and running
around and enjoying the weather. uh bad
thing. Uh wife is out of town, so I have
basically animal duty for the next week
and a half, which is eating into my time
tremendously.
>> Uh yes, I have a uh a grand dog
basically that one of my children took
from other children that didn't raise
them properly, and I'm having a real fun
time trying to work with that. Luckily,
my wife is like a dog whisperer type
level expert, so she can like she's
figuring it out. and it's a smart dog.
So, we'll see how he's also a jerk. So,
we'll see how this works out. Uh, I am
really looking forward to this
conversation. We were back to an
interview episode. Uh, and I'm going to
dive right into the introduction side of
it. I'm going to just start with your
name, your first name, because I'm sure
I will butcher the last name. Uh, go
ahead and introduce yourself, Mark.
>> Well, my name is Mark Stuchesky, but
because nobody is going to understand
true what I'm go by Mr. productivity on
the interwebs. It's Mr. All spelled out
M I S T E R. My passion in life, my
dream, my goal, what drives me every
morning when I wake up is to help people
get unstuck. Whether that's with time
management, goal setting, clarity,
focus, prioritization, whatever. So many
people are stuck these days, and I love
helping people get unstuck.
Well, we have the right uh the right
audience for that. We talk about this a
lot because developers do this. We end
up uh I think a lot of times we end up
overwhelming ourselves. We put too much
on our plate. We promise too much. We we
underestimate what it's going to take.
And honestly, development world is full
of like just gotchas where you think
something's going to take you five
seconds and it takes you five hours
chasing that thing down. So, uh with
somebody with a title of Mr.
productivity is exactly what we all
need. And I think I want to dive right
into um one of the things that you you
mentioned is that you've got a practical
tool called distraction detox framework.
Distractions are the bane of our
existence and I would really like to
just I think that's going to be right
away like a very high return on
investment there. So why don't you talk
a little bit about that?
Well, the distraction detox starts with
a very painful and horrifying exercise.
I encourage people to carry a little
notebook with them or you can use an app
on your phone. Don't go looking for a
special notebook or a special app. Just
whatever you have laying around or on
your phone and every time you are
distracted,
every time you are distracted, write it
down. Could be the FedEx driver showing
up at your house. It could be a
helicopter flying overhead. It could be
the neighbor's dog barking. All I want
you to do is write all these down. Most
people, a matter of fact, I don't think
anyone's ever made it an hour because
after like 10, 15 minutes, you look at
everything is that is on your list and
you're like, "Holy macaroni, I am really
distracted." And here's the thing about
distractions. Some distractions you're
like, "Oh, that's distraction." But
sometimes you may not be paying
attention to it, but your subconscious
mind is. And so you think you're fully
focused on the task at hand, but your
subconscious mind's going, "What's that?
Oh, the the FedEx driver is at the
neighbor's house. Wonder what they're
getting at. How can they afford that?"
And so you start distracting yourself.
So distractions breed other
distractions. So the first step is to
identify your distractions. I'm not
saying you're going to be able to solve
all these, but it's to bring awareness
that you are this distracted. Now, once
you get past that horrifying stage, that
that uh horror flick stage, then you're
going to sit there and ask yourself, how
can I begin to mitigate some of these
distractions? Now, there's two types of
distractions. There are distractions
that are not within your control. You
really can't go to your neighbor and
say, "Hey, can you bring the dog in the
house?" I mean, we're recording this
right now. Next door, we have a neighbor
who has a couple dogs. When they bring
their kids home, sometimes they let the
dog out for a few minutes, sometimes a
little bit. I cannot tell them, I'm
going to record a podcast episode, keep
your dog in the house. So, that is a
distraction that's out of my control. I
certainly can't tell Amazon, the FedEx
driver, the UPS driver, don't come down
my street because I'm going to be on Rob
and Michael's podcast. What about in my
house, my dogs? Well, what can I do? I
can make sure they've already gone
outside. I can make sure the blinds are
shut so that they don't see squirrels or
other dogs outside. So, what can you
control? Do your best to mitigate those
distractions and everything else. Well,
if your city is going to jackhammer your
street today or this week or next week,
probably not a good time to do podcast
interviews because you can't control
that. But what you can do, you can
mitigate it by moving it to another
time. So that's what the detox is all
about. It's controlling what you can,
mitigating what you can't.
>> Um, God, that that really speaks to me
because I was I sat there the other day
and one of the things I do is uh often
go into I have a pomodoro technique
where I'll go in and I'll have a focus
period of, you know, 25 or or sometimes
45 minutes, 60 minutes, something like
that where I'm like, "All right." and
I'll have the, you know, the background
music on to just like the, you know,
just focus, focus, focus. And literally,
I guess yesterday or the day before, I
was sitting there and I was working on
this problem. And the next thing I know,
I was sitting there looking at an email
and I was like, what the heck am I
doing? How did I even get over to email
was not up? How did I get myself over
here to looking at this email right now?
And it's exactly what you said is it's
that distraction of and this is where I
think it like like I said I think this
is where uh developers I think part is
because we're in our head so much when
we're working it's easy to have
something in your head you have this
thought and you're like oh I got to go
look at that and then next thing you
know you're distracted and you move on
and maybe it's partially just more me
with like a ADHD kind of a you know
nature that I have.
>> I got a perfect solution for you though
Rob.
>> What you do I don't have a prop. I
apologize not having a problem. You keep
a little notepad next to you. When that
thought pops into your head, no matter
what it is, it could be, "Oh, I wonder
why the sky is blue." Well, don't go to
your favorite AI. Write it down. And
then later on when you're out of focus
mode, then you go look it up. What
people do, they're working and all of a
thought all of a sudden Denzel
Washington pops in their head. Well, let
me see what his latest movie is. No.
Write down Denzel Washington movie
question mark on your notepad. That way
when you're done with your focus time,
you could pick it up and go, why did I
write Denzel Washington movie on here?
Because it wasn't that important.
>> Yeah, that's that's to me that's
probably the scariest thing about
distractions is that you find out too
often. Like that was totally
unnecessary.
Um yeah, I did it. You know, phones are
the are the biggest distraction. And uh
I want to talk about those here in a
second. But that was like that was one
of the things is that I I did several
things on my phone to just to turn it to
get it out of my way to get away from it
to shut off all the notifications,
change it to black and white, do
whatever I can to just make it like, you
know, a dumb brick that I don't need
deal with that often uh as much as I can
outside of my work. Now with that, so I
love the the simplicity of just not even
a like special pretty notebook and just
get something and and keep it simple
like that. So how do you like I guess
it's then it's the next step. So now I
know I've got these distractions. My
favorite would be like you know you got
a watch, you've got a phone or something
like that. Is what is that next step? Do
you feel like it and do you see it more
as an approach of a like a holistic
approach of trying to or more like try
to you know uh precision like well why
don't you get rid of this distraction or
that distraction
>> I think that there is something to be
said about resting and let me explain
that you have done the right thing and
you've written down 17 things that
popped into your head while you're
working on this focus mode
but don't get done with the focus mode
and pick up the notebook go for a walk
outside go read a Go watch some YouTube
or Tik Tok or Instagram. Give yourself a
buffer because you want to separate as
much as you can in terms of time. How
long since you created the list and when
you look at it cuz now you're going to
look at it totally different. You've
gone out, got a drink of water, taken a
walk around the block, and then you look
at that list and like, "Oh, scratch that
one off. Scratch that one off. Scratch
that one off." What people actually do
is the worst thing you can do is, okay,
I write down the thing on my notebook.
Then they're getting back to focus and
they keep looking at that list.
They keep, well, well, no, maybe you
have to turn the list upside down or
whatever. You need to have the list
there, but when you're in focus mode,
you capture the thoughts that are on
your head, but you're not supposed to go
look at that list and everything you've
written down it until focus mode is over
and you've taken a break. Now, the break
could be 5 minutes, it could be 15
minutes. I don't talk about absolute
numbers. Then look at that list. And
even more so, I encourage you look at
that list someplace different, not where
you made the list. Maybe you go out on
your front porch, get a cup of coffee,
your favorite beverage, then look at the
list. And if you're still not sure,
maybe you go to your significant other
and say, "I wrote these things down. Do
you do any of these jump things jump off
the page to you?" And they may give you
some voices of reason and go, "Why did
you write these things down?" A lot of
people just jump in like they're jumping
in a pool in a summer vacation when
maybe they should go, "Is there any
sharks or piranhas in this pool?" Now,
we just jump in there and then what
happens? We go down this road and then
an hour, two hours, three hours later,
we're like, "Wait a minute. What am I
doing?" Like the Denzel Washington
example. Now you're watching Now you're
looking at all the movies he's done and
you're like, "Oh, wow. You know what? We
have Netflix and he has movies on and
you and you're so far away from your
focus mode." Does that make sense?
>> That totally makes sense. Uh it sounds
very much like that thing. We'll coin it
right here because nobody's ever said
those before. But the idea of doom
scrolling where you just like, you know,
that's what those are. That was my first
introduction to that kind of deal was
actually Pinterest back when it first
started. I was like, why are these
people talking about this Pinterest
thing and that people will spend hours
on? I was like, nobody could that's that
doesn't make any sense to me. And then I
sat down and exactly that it's just
rabbit hole after rabbit hole after
rabbit hole and the next thing you know
you burned up an hour and I what you
said really speaks to me is the idea of
I was thinking of like when you were a
kid and you're taking tests in school
and it's like pencils down like okay I
took my note pencils down. I was
thinking right as you were saying I was
like I'm gonna have to flip that thing
over and do something because if it's
there then it's like if it's in my site
I may come back to it. But I I really
like the idea and I think it's it feels
like it's more of a habit than like
you're going to have to work on it kind
of thing of put it down and not jump
back and just keep that one of those
things that you're not going to touch
right now that you're going to come back
and gosh giving it a rest beforehand I I
know for myself that will stop me from a
lot of things because I'll just be like
okay this is no longer an issue and it's
it's the reverse of where we're going
because we always have like a phone
you've got searches you've got AI so you
can like you said you and ask AI right
away, what was that last movie Denzel
Washington was in? And then you're
you're sitting there 20 minutes later
going, why am I doing this? It really
didn't matter that much. Our whole life
is trivia is basically what we've come
down to. Mhm.
>> So
now how did you how did you get into how
did you get because you you obviously
have a passion for productivity and for
you know getting rid of distractions and
being able to to me I'm going to coin
this maybe this is what you use but sort
of be the best you you can be. How did
you stumble into this or or how did you
get into this?
>> I love this question by the way this is
a video podcast as well right? Okay. So,
I just want people to know if you see me
wiping the sweat off the for my head.
I'm in Houston, Texas. It's hot. I do
have my AC and the fan going. So, I just
want people I'm not sick. It's just say
it's hot in here. I probably shouldn't
have put such a thick shirt on. But
anyways, back to your question. I used
to tell this. There's two versions of
the story. Version number one, I was
fired from my job in 2005 and I decided
I wasn't going back to the corporate
world. Done. And I'm like, "Okay, now
what?" I said, "What is that word
entra?"
Entrepreneur.
What is that? So I said, 'I want to be
an entrepreneur. Didn't know what it
was. Just sounded cool. And my first my
first dive into the entrepreneurial pool
was something called wedding and
portrait photography, which bombed. I
mean, blew up the joint.
I had two clients, and I'm surprised
they paid me. But one thing came out of
that was my love for speaking and
teaching and coaching. Well, you have to
understand that all through high school
and all through college,
I would never give any kind of oral or
oral report unless there was nobody in
the room. Now, I'm a podcaster. I'm a
professional speaker. I'm a coach. So,
what happened was I went to one of our
friends in our Bible study class who was
a professional speaker and I don't know
what in the world possessed me to go ask
this lady,"Hey, you're a professional
speaker. How can I, an introvert who
hates speaking in front of anybody, be a
professional speaker?" She gave me some
guidelines. I fell in love with it. But
then I had a problem. I didn't want to
speak about photography. So, I didn't
know what to do. So, I went out and
hired my first coach. Up until this
point, I thought coaches were football
coaches and hockey coaches and
basketball coaches. I had no idea a co a
coach for me, but they saw something in
me. And we were on one call. I identify
as Tiger for Winnie the Pooh. I was born
in 1965, so I grew up with Winnie the
Pooh. And I was having on one call an
Eeyore moment. I'm normally Tiger. And
he says, "What's going on?" I said,
"Well, I really love speaking." Because
I was going out and speaking to groups
and telling them how to take better
pictures, if they're realtors, how to
take better pictures of property and
stuff like that, but I I don't want to
speak about photography, but I don't
know what I should speak on. He goes,
"Well, why don't you speak on
productivity?" I'm like, "That's weird.
Where'd that come from? I no idea where
that why'd you say that?" And he goes,
"I know a lot of people and you are one
of the most naturally productive people
I know and you should share that gift
with the world." I'm like, "The first
thing I said is, isn't everybody this
productive?" And after he stopped
laughing for 10 minutes, he goes, "No,
you need to share that gift with the
world." So that's how I actually went in
the productivity business, hung my
shingle out in 2011. But the more people
asked me about it, I started thinking. I
was raised in the late 60s and early 70s
by parents who were from old school. You
do chores, you do them correctly. You do
them on time. You don't go out and play
and then do your chores. You do your
chores and then you go outside and play.
And I think my mom and dad, who has
since passed away, didn't know it that I
was eventually going to be something
called Mr. productivity many years
later. And so my parents thankfully laid
that foundation for me.
>> So
it really sounds like it's kind of funny
some of the things you mentioned there,
you know, about teaching and that
because uh when I was going through
college and that I didn't I was like
done with school like all those public
speakings and things like that, I hated
it. And of course, six months after
college, I became an instructor teaching
uh Java. So, it was like one of those
where I'm never going back to school and
I end up teaching. It's interesting how
you kind of got into this because I
think so many entrepreneurs kind of go
through similar things. they leave uh
corporate or they leave their jobs and
they want to start something else but
one of the biggest problems they have is
either the lack of focus or the lack of
motivation or just maybe it's not the
right topic uh through your experience
which how you became Mr. productivity.
What are some of the things that uh you
could recommend for uh you know young
entrepreneurs or just people getting
into their own business to use
productivity to help drive them to help
their businesses thrive.
>> Rule number one, make sure you're
following somebody who is doing what you
want to do. So, if you want to be
productive, go search for the productive
productivity people on the interwebs. I
would highly recommend you start with
Mr. Productivity, but there's a lot of
them out there. Go listen to their
podcast like the Mr. Productivity
podcast and everybody else's. Go get
their books. I don't have a book, but go
follow them in social media because if
you want to go from A to B, well, don't
you want to follow and learn from
someone who's already at B? Which is
really important because what happens
when people come to me as clients?
They're like, wow, I never knew this.
I'm like, that's why you invested in me
because I do know this and I can give
you shortcuts. All coaches and books and
podcasts are are shortcuts. But here's
the thing, you just it's not magic
hiring a coach. It's not magic reading a
book. It's not magic listening to a
podcast. You have to listen and then go
implement. So that's number one, you
need to follow people who are where you
want to go. Number two, I'm a huge fan
of simplicity. Okay? Complexity is the
gateway to procrastination.
So, we seem to live in the world where
people like making things complex. And I
like making things simple because the
more complex something is, the more the
less likely you are to do it. So, I
always tell people, here's a crazy idea.
Let's break this down so it's really
really simple. Because if I told your
listeners, "Hey, here are 37 things that
if you do all these things, you're going
to be the most productive version of
yourself ever." They're going to go,
"I'm out." But if I tell them, and we'll
probably get to this later, I mean, we
already give them a solid several solid
tips. I'll you you pick one that
resonates with you. So listener, if I've
already said something that resonates
with you, I encourage you to write that
down and maybe go do it. Don't try to do
three, four, five, six, seven, 10 things
because then you're like, "Okay, did I
do one? Now I got to do four. What's
next?" Then you get confused. Then you
get overwhelmed and then you go to Tik
Tok or Instagram and YouTube and
endlessly scroll.
Yeah, it's funny you mentioned that
because it reminds me of uh some
marketing material I read recently. I
can't remember which book it was in, but
it was kind of the concept of focus and
for sales. It's like if you want to sell
if you're a watch seller, um a lot of
the uh like watch brands want to promote
all their watches. Well, really you if
you give them one or two watches in an
ad, they're going to be able to pick one
or the other. If you give them six or
seven, it's too busy. It's too many.
They'll just move on to the next uh
advertisement or just miss your ad
completely.
I love the idea of simplicity.
Kind of going back to your idea of
writing down your distractions on, you
know, in a notebook. I love the idea of
analog. Too many times I find digital
gets bloated. It makes it complex. Uh it
gets over complicated. you go down that
rabbit hole. It's like, oh, it's here.
You're you end up focusing on that
versus what you're working on.
Interestingly enough, especially in the
new um with like the chat bots and all
these wonderful like Trellos and things
like that where you can put them in.
What it I guess the trick here is how do
you always know that you're distracted?
So, some of the times it's obvious and
and you can write it down, but some of
the things you said like, you know, um
FedEx, you know, yeah, okay, I can see
that. But sometimes there's those little
nuances you get where you don't realize
you're distracted or you're going down
that rabbit hole. It could be like
you're looking up the problem for some
software you're working on, but you end
up going down a rabbit hole trying to
solve that problem, but you end up, you
know, going way off topic. What are some
tips to kind of catch yourself before
you go down those paths or at least
catch yourself that hey you are
distracted when you really don't think
you are?
>> That's a great question and what I
encourage people to do is every once in
a while and I'm again I'm not going to
give you an absolute number. Every once
in a while, just stop. Literally stop
what you're doing and just ask yourself,
could be out loud or in your head, is
this what I'm supposed to be doing right
now? If you would just take three
seconds to ask their ask yourself that
question, you may go, oh my gosh, no.
Why am I in my email?
Why am I this is this is a project for
tomorrow. Why am I doing it now? But
what happens is we we go down, we go
down the road, we turn left. we should
have gone right and we just keep going
instead of going wait a minute wait I'm
I'm not this doesn't look familiar so
just ask yourself that question in three
seconds just it it's not going to stop
you from what you're doing it just
allows your brain to catch up because
sometimes either our brain is really far
ahead or it's still behind trying to
catch up and if you stop for 3 seconds
and go is this what I'm supposed to be
working on and you're like whoa no then
you can stop yourself before you go all
the way down the road and realize you're
20 miles off course. So, just ask
yourself that question. And if it is the
answer is yes, okay, keep on going. If
it's no, then you can do what you have
to do.
>> So,
>> nice. Well, go ahead, R.
>> I was just so with this um now I'm
thinking, you know, as I'm I'm almost
getting a little distracted with that,
but the idea so now you're trying to
figure out your distractions. you're
trying to and and doing this and some of
it
>> you alluded earlier to that there's some
of these things are easier to do for
people than others.
>> Now you've worked with a bunch of
people. So are there
>> um as opposed to necessary even specific
are there sort of like we'll call them
like families or classes of changes that
people can do that tend to be more uh
accessible in the kinds of like sort of
like I guess entry level versus like
more advanced u you know distraction
removal techniques and things of that
nature. There are certain things like if
somebody's sitting there like, gosh, I
don't know if I can do this. Are there
some that are easier than others that
you say this works for most people or
most people are going to be uh better
suitable to to pick this up? Well, I
like to talk about something that's very
controversial and it gets people on
edge, but probably people listening to
your show are adults and there's this
thing called adulting. So I am not a fan
of blaming social media apps or
technology. Oh, it's because of
Facebook. No, it's because you are not
disciplined. So let let me just put that
out there. You need to practice
adulting. Stop making excuses. Stop
blaming other people. So that's number
one. Number two, I think one of my most
popular and most powerful productivity
tips is to just get up and walk around
for a couple minutes because again,
you're working, your eyes are seeing
stuff, your brain's processing, and you
keep doing 30 minutes, 60 minutes, 120
minutes, 180 minutes. You haven't gotten
up, the blood's not flowing. This is
stuff that everybody can do. I mean,
you're probably not landing a plane in
the war zone. So, get up and give
yourself a break. If you work from home,
just walk to the kitchen. If you are in
a corporate environment, walk to the
break room. But this is so simple
because what happens is people want all
these give me these five things I can do
that is really simple that's going to
make me more productive. And I'm like,
let's start with the easy stuff. When's
the last time you got up and walked
around for a couple minutes? When's the
last time you went outside and took some
deep breaths of air? When's the last
time you closed your eyes? Go outside,
put your bare feet on the ground, close
your eyes, and meditate for a minute. I
mean, these are really simple things,
but they're proven to improve your
productivity. Everybody wants the the
hacks like, "How do I hack my phone so
I'm not distracted by it?" Or, "How do I
do this?"
Let's let's start with a let's build a
strong foundation like how do we become
more productive? When you build a house,
you have to build the foundation first,
right? Probably the same thing with your
developers. You got to build the
foundation. You can't put on, you know,
the f the the the the finishing touches
in the beginning. You got to start with
the foundation. So, I encourage people
to go back to the basics. every sports
league in the world. It doesn't matter
how great of a player you are, you go
back to the basics. Tom Brady when he
played, what do he do? He went to
training camp and threw footballs.
Why? Because
that's what you do when training camp.
And I think what happens when we go from
year one to year two, year three, we're
like, I don't have to go back to the
beginning. The greats always go back to
the basics. How's my foundation? Is
everything working? What do I need to
learn? Because guess what? I hope I hate
to be a spoiler for your listeners.
Everybody has stuff to learn. Everybody.
>> And that is where we're going to pause
our conversation with Mark. Uh the
energy is going to keep on flowing.
Trust me. This this is one of those that
we could have gone on and made this like
I don't know a whole season of stuff. We
could have definitely cranked out a
couple episodes. uh the energy brings
obviously is is great uh the brilliant
mind on these kinds of things and uh
also some just really good simple
solutions. So keep your notebook handy.
Don't get distracted and uh be ready for
part two when we come back in the next
episode. As always, thank you for not so
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